Genuine heresies you believe

If the refs did their job and took points for Foremans pushing he would have been disqualified a few times and or have lost fights to good short range and infighters

 

There's is as good certainty as there can be that Holyfield was on PEDs, considering the Evan Fields fiasco.

 

The Jimmy Young fight, in particular, springs to mind here.

 

Herbert Muhammad who was in the audience sent word to Angelo Dundee to stop the fight. Knowing Angie there is a likelihood he would have kept sending Ali out. Knowing he was drained from the thyroid medication that had a diuretic effect he might have been hurt more then he was. As to Bundini he wasn't the one getting beat up. On the other hand he was Ali's alter ego and was literally with the emphasis on literally expecting a miracle.

 

The pushing reminds me of Klitschko's stiff arm.

 

I don't think so. Young nullified George's usual tactics and would've won regardless.

 

He'd probably have stopped it once he had a point deducted.

 

Did Wlad stiff arm as much as Larry Holmes? If we are talking about habitual minor rule breakers, Larry did a **** ton of stiff arming and face pushing with his forearm.

 

I don't know about Douglas. I think he liked food though. I agree that using weights doesn't mean using PEDs.

But just looking at the landscape of sports in general, and how boxers in the 90's started getting popped for PEDs, and how much money was on the table for these guys, it's in my mind not a stretch to assume that the vast majority of fighters in the 90's and beyond (including Tyson in the '90's, post-prison) were on PEDs.

Why I don't think 80's Tyson was, is because he was surrounded by old-school guys like Cus, Rooney, Atlas and old-school managers like Jacobs and Cayton. His training regimen didn't even include weights, and PEDs work best with weight training.
Post-prison I think is a different story, but not in the 80's, in my opinion.

Also to add, you can't always go by physiques. Botha and Toney both got popped for PEDs, and look at them.

 

Wladimir's physique is attainable naturally, not that I am calling him clean.

 

Steve Collins late carrier bloom is based on moving back to UK \ Ireland and fighting British level opposition or shot and exhausted fighters Steve was tough but his level had been found years before in the US.

 

Definitely against the grain.