I have Oba Carr. I saw Oba fight as an amateur back in the day and he was absolutely electrifying! Technically sound and athletically gifted. I just think he was another level above Carlos who was a talented fighter in his own right. Carr came up short against Quartey, Tito and Oscar but he also had a very long amateur career and probably was a little shop worn by the time he was fighting for titles as a pro.
I think Quintana should be favourite here as he was pretty close to elite; the first who outboxed Williams (who was 1 - 2 levels above Carr) and it was tied against Cotto, but Carr rather among the contenders (though he won against an early Bundrage).
I don’t know how the topic fight would go, but I loved Oba as the USA Network ‘house prospect’ and watching his career. Seems like we got to watch him and Baby Jones grow up before our very eyes.
I completely disagree. Prime Carr only lost to Oscar, Tito and Ike and gave all three problems. Oscar and Tito are hall of farmers and Ike likely would have been had he not taken five years off after losing to Vargas. Carr was more athletic and Carr had the much better amateur pedigree over Carlos.
I agree Carlos Quintana has the two big wins vs highly rated prospect Joel Julio, and obviously Paul Williams. I guess you could say Oba Carr's best win is vs Luis Ramon Campas ? and ancient fighters Frankie Randall, Livingstone Bramble, although i felt Carr was well beaten by Bramble. I don't really like judging fighters on how well they did in losses, and that's what Carr is known for. Carlos Quintana in his two big wins looked more impressive than Oba Carr did in any of his notable wins. So i'll judge it on that and i'll go with Quintana also.
The point is Quintana has the greater achievement, as he has the better wins, with the undefeated WBO champion Paul Williams (at least top 5 in the division) and undefeated Joel Julio. The first came from a narrow decsion against Margarito, who I rate higher than de la Hoya in Welterweight (was a bit of a hypejob; lost to Quartey and Whitaker there), although Quartey deserved the win over Forrest and Vargas. His fight vs. Cotto (around his peak) was also too close to call, when who landed a sunnday-liver-hook. He can be compared also with Colazo, Clottey, maybe Berto and Lewis. Carr was rather like Cintron, Trabant, Rivera, and Lujan (which might be a half level below the upper group). He never won against a top 10 welterweight.
Carr’s best win was Darell Coley. Campas was awful when their fight occurred. Same sentiment overall though.
I always thought Carr was unlucky in the sense he had to go against those 3 with all of them being almost prime. He also always seemed a little small to me at 147 and when he was fighting I thought he should of stayed at 140
I too have Carr winning. Such a beautiful blend of boxing, sharp combos and sharp punching. I was far more impressed with him over Quintana. But clearly, we all have our preferences.
Sorry but I respectfully disagree. I don't think the era that Quintana fought in is anywhere near as good as the one that Carr fought in. I saw Carr fight multiple times in person during the heyday of the US national boxing program and he was outstanding. Yes he didn't win the big fights against Oscar, Tito and Ike but those three would have destroyed anyone from Quantana's era including Williams and Julio in my opinion. It's always tough to compare fighters from different era's but in this case it is cut and dry for me.
I think that was one of the greatest era's in the history of the division. Oscar, Tito and Ike were all killer's. Oba gave all three of them tough fights. He even dropped Tito and Ike in their fights. I like Quintana as fighter but I just don't see where he is better than Carr was.
But nobody who is not biased can deny that Quintana accomplished more as prize-boxer in Welterweight. It is very quesfionable if Carr would have been able to last the distance with Williams let alone to win against whom, who stopped high rated punchers as Matthyse and former world champion Mitchel among some other contenders. Maybe you mix up Carlos Quintana with Said Quali (as rather fringe-contender around 2010)? It is quite possible that he would have won against Julio as well, but no walk in the park, rather a competitive match-up too. I do think Oba Carr was a little bit better than Andrej Pastrijew and Thomas Damgaart (who was very high rated, but a chicken). I would compare him maybe even with DeMarcus Corley, who would have been an interesting opponent as well. A bit behind Zaveck and Brooks, around the level of Broner and maybe Guerrero.