Prime Holyfield vs Prime Muhammad Ali

Make that Holyfield look slow? No

 

Tyson TYSON tyson TySoN.......Tyson Tyson Tyson Tyson.....................a washed up post close to four years in prison Tyson is the only fight (s) Holyfield can hang his hat on. Fact.

Holyfield is 1-2 with Bowe, some say 0-3..........0-2 against Lewis............1-1 against glass cannon Moorer..............1-1-1 against Heavyweight disgrace Ruiz........plus looking not so stellar against two relics in Foreman/Holmes

Prime Clay/Ali loop sided decision over 15 .....................whenever Holyfield is not allowed to brawl he is shid out of luck see the Lewis and Moorer fights................Ali will box his ears off but but but Frazier...............Holyfield fights nothing like Frazier

 

His competition was not as good in the '60's, but Ali was prime/peak then.
Much faster of foot, better endurance/dancing as much as he wanted to, no need to clinch often.

Holyfield if he was in his 20's may well have beaten everyone in the 1960's, but I do not know about Liston, especially if he brawled as he often did.
He would be very unlikely to stop everyone.

 

I am one that often says how unfair it is to assume that everyone used, or must have due to the era or relative ease & perceived advantages & deterrence. Although it is not extraordinary to say someone used, it requires good evidence to be fair & say it is likely.
Holyfield had far more substantive evidence against him than the sudden early baldness & heart problems.

I am surprised you are unfamiliar with the widely publicized, multiple accusations such as via the Balco investigations.
Just read what I copied & pasted not long ago, the heavily citationed section of his Wikipedia page dealing with steroids & HGH.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evander_Holyfield[/url]

 

He would have. Especially the 60s version of Ali.

 

Good fight. I'll go with Evander Holyfield by Split Decision. The Muhammad Ali that fought Cleveland Williams never faced an opponent as versatile as Holyfield.

 

Ali, close unanimous decision. I agree that Holyfield's footwork would be good enough especially for 70s Ali, but I believe Foreman said Ali's right hand was much faster than Evander's "hands down" — he couldn't time Ali's right hands, not to talk about his lightning quick jabs, but he could see each of Evander's punches coming as an old man.

I'd imagine '67 Ali would be way faster than that. IIRC, Foreman also said he didn't think any heavyweight he'd seen could cope with Ali's combination of sheer hand/footspeed. Regardless, a close fight either way imo.

 

He also said Ali and Holyfield were 1 and 1A.

 

Evander Holyfield brawled with Lewis and Bowe. He would murder Liston.

 

Holyfield won ONE of the 5 fights he had with Lewis & Bowe.
The single victory was a close fight where the Fan Man debacle allowed Holyfield an unearned reprieve.
And the first fight with Lewis is widely & rightly regarded as a robbery when ruled a draw.

I have never seen 100% of the people disagree with a fight card on this overall very good fan scorecard website. The averaged fan scoring gave Holyfield 2 rounds in the first fight-& 3 out of the same 12 in the rematch. [url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/undisputed-evander-holyfield-vs-lennox-lewis-i[/url]

This is not good evidence he would beat, let alone "murder", Liston.
But unless you have a very good answer, can you be more evolved than those who just emotionally over-identify with a fighter & then project whatever they want to believe unto them?
Are you capable of admitting you are wrong or changing your mind?

If he boxed & did not brawl & WITH the PEDs he was using starting at least after his first fight with Bowe-if not before-he has a decent chance.

 

he has a better than decent chance. he should be the favorite. he would be in ali's grill. heavyweight belt on the line? oh hell.. evander is going to box not brawl.

ali is in trouble. got some power boxing coming at him. ali going down from a body shot.

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Why would you use Mike Tyson as a proxy for Ali? They couldn't be more dissimilar stylistically and physically. It would be akin to arguing Floyd Mayweather could beat Sugar Ray Leonard and using Canelo Alvarez as a proxy for him. And when has Ali went down to a body shot? Ken Norton said "Hitting Ali in the body or on the arms was like hitting a piece of cement."

 

get the **** outta here. tyson ****. holyfield would be in ali grill. major body shots just for a reminder every other round. until late in the fight when holyfield usually gets faster.

 

It has already been said & many must be thinking several things-Tyson has nothing to do with this situation.
Also that Ali never went down from a body shot. And fouught more powerfl punchers than Evander, easy, even past his prime. And someone like Frazier hit his body with a higher workrate & likely harder than Evander ever did.

Evander brawled multiple times with the HW belt on the line, you must know that right?
So there is no cause to assume he would not do the same against Liston.
I was very fair saying if he fought the disciplined fight her should he would have a decent chance.


Edit: now I se that instead of addressing these points rationally, you launched cursing #$@%! at the first person to non-abusively disagree with you.

Don't you want to be respected here & have your position taken seriously?
If so, then why act like a hyperactive adolescent throwing verbal bombs from an anonymous distance?