'67 Ali versus '74 Foreman

You boring me, i will not spend. MY
time with you anymore

 

Exactly it was i meant, that liston weighed sometimes even less OF 208 pounds, he is trying TO attack me about topics OF boxing, when he knows that he cant really because i know what i talking about, you can be WRONG about the number OF a round, it proves ****, i am nit a computer with dates, he used this ******ed thing at the only way out that he had because he hates me and he got mad so he tried TO use any small mistake OF a number ( it has TO do more with Memory) TO insinuate that i dont knoq about boxing haha, i dont care about he can say, i know WHO i am and what i know, but he is a troll and a foreman hater, simplY he is the Type OF troll who doesnt do it "with noice " , he talk relaxed so everybody cant see what he DOES, and yes, i did insult people that deserved that, and i will do it again IF i need it, i never insulted you? ask TO yourself why

 

I don't hate anyone. And yeah, being WRONG about the number of rounds and about weights DOES prove something- that you don't have your facts straight and need to do so. Period. Especially if you are going to come on here and talk trash, which is what you do most of the time.

all anyone needs to do is look at my posts over the years and look at yours and then let them decide for themselves who is "hateful" and who is a "troll". You've been accused of being both by others besides me. I haven't(except by that Juggernaut guy, the biggest troll in recent memory). That should tell you something.

You think everyone should give you a pass when you have a "mistake of memory", but then you unload on and start insulting anyone else who may be having a "mistake of memory" and I've seen you do that to plenty of people. That is called being a hypocrite. Clean up your act and maybe you won't get called on your nonsense.

 

Get your facts straight and then I won't bore you so much.

 

Ali KO or wide UD, the punches that won Ali the fight in 74 was an ultra fast jab and a stinging straight right hand, punches that were even more effective for Ali back in 67 because they had a lot more velocity behind them. Not sure Ali by 67 had acquired the experience and ring savvy to improvise with a rope a dope but I don't think he would need to either; he'd have danced circles around Foreman. The fact that foreman was too slow in 74 to catch him suggests that the 1967 Ali would have made it look even easier than he did.

 

OT you said it perfectly.

HH, just face that you do get mean & insulting with many historically, & resolve to change!

Please consider this. Thank you.

 

This:good.

 

Yes. Ali cannot win trying to box & trade with Foreman. Foreman would cut off the ring & hit Ali more than he's use to.

 

The ropes were loose because George Foreman wanted a 19 foot ring. The ring was actually 16 feet. The ropes were made for a larger ring. The referee Zack Clayton said he "couldn't believe Ali agreed to fight him in a telephone booth." He still kicked his ass.

 

True but seems to me that everyone tends to forget that after Muhammad Ali won the title, he never touched the canvas until he met Frazier as a challenger in 1971, Ali had just 18 rounds in 43 months. How come no one ever talks about what Ali did to Henry Cooper on May 21 1966?, there was no knockdown in that fight, Ali gave Cooper14 stitches as Ali scored a TKO 6. Ali had better stamina than 1974 George Foreman in 1967, he had catlike reflexes, great footwork, speed of hand, and unending stamina, no Rope a Dope in this match. Watch the Feb 6 1967 title defense against Ernie Terrell, Foreman would be gassed after round 5, and bruised up, stumbling all over the place. Please do not confuse the 1970's Ali with the 1960's Ali, I saw both, the 1960's Ali was better in my opinion.

 

With all due respect, all fighters make excuses for their losses, my shoes were too big, etc. Lol. I wish that fighters would say, I Lost To A Better Man Tonight. Not Stop The Steal. Ha, Ha.

 

Muhammad Ali '67. version is better in everything than Zaire Muhammad Ali except in experience.
With so much footwork and handspeed, there would be no need to rope a dope.
I predict that the outcome would be somewhere between Muhammad Ali-Sonny Liston 1, and "Rumble in the Jungle".
Muhammad Ali wins by points, or RTD.

 

That outcome sounds very realistic except that 74 George Foreman could retire in the corner because he gets gassed easily if he cannot kayo his opponent like what happened against Jimmy Young in March 1977, when he hit the canvas in round 12. The 1974 version of George did lack stamina, was lumbering at best while 1967 Ali danced and moved, did not need the ropes.

 

70s Ali was hitting Foreman with right hand leads at will. George later admitted that he couldn't really react to those right hands nor effectively deal with Ali's jabs, not to speak of the 60s Ali who had better handspeed. Foreman would hardly be able to time 60s Ali's jabs properly; his face would become progressively swollen as the rounds piled up.

George also said that he had the hardest time against Ali when he replicated his 60s style in short bursts, flashing out quick jabs and slipping out of the way. How could he live with the version of Ali that could do that nearly all night? George was very effective at cutting the ring off, sure, but we can't even begin to compare young Ali to Zaire Ali in terms of footspeed.

Foreman's best moments would come in the rounds where Ali temporarily stops dancing to rest a bit, but he would have tired himself from swinging at air all night. Ali UD imo.

 

I think your Avatar is cool, I remember their first fight, Muhammad Ali vs Floyd Patterson, Nov 22 1965.