If MOST 90s-2000s punchers hit as hard as Shavers, how would we know?

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Would say Foreman ducked him not the other way around.
     
  2. moneytheman

    moneytheman New Member banned Full Member

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    Why do people always just think a boxer avoided a person management does matter its different reasons fights dont happen its not always cause of somebody avoiding
     
  3. Barrf

    Barrf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    they were signed to fight, received their advances on the purse, and then the money fell through.
     
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  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In the case of Foreman and Holmes I would say Foreman ducked it for a long time and Holmes always pushed for it. Before Foreman's first retirement and after his come back Holmes really pushed for the fight.

    Who said I always assume someone's ducked like. Just look into it yourself.
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just know Holmes always blamed Foreman. Stylistically think that suited Holmes and would have been a big win for his career.
     
  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks to my son for the stats:

    Earnie Shaver's knocked somebody out about every 5 rounds (rounded).

    Deontay Wilder (so far) knocked somebody out about every 4 rounds (rounded, but could change over time).
    Mike Tyson knocked somebody out about every 5 rounds (rounded).
    George Foreman knocked somebody out about every 5 rounds (rounded).
    Vitali Klitschko knocked somebody out about every 6 rounds (rounded).
    Wladimir Klitschko knocked somebody out about every 7 rounds (rounded).
    Ron Lyle knocked somebody out about every 10 rounds (rounded).
     
  7. moneytheman

    moneytheman New Member banned Full Member

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    I dont look into quotes cause I dont believe in quotes they can be bias lies or just outdated so I choose to not believe anything

    always I have my own thoughts and I wasn't meaning you just in general what I do know is like I said fights aren't just cause of anybody avoiding anybody its other reasons

    cause if that was the case of a duck then everybody in history is a ducker since its nobody in history who fought everybody
    In their time so no we shouldn't just call somebody a ducker
     
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  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Do you deny that George Washington existed?

    There's no film of him, and you've never met him. The only evidence you have are quotes.
     
  9. moneytheman

    moneytheman New Member banned Full Member

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    Not the same thing you know that im talking specifically on matches not happening you know that

    Didn't they call you buddy cross
     
  10. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    What evidence could possibly exist for reasons that a match didn't happen aside from quotes? :sherlock:
     
  11. moneytheman

    moneytheman New Member banned Full Member

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    It is no evidence cause we dont have quotes for everything you know that do you think every boxer in history who didn't fight everybody in their time was a ducker or do you know its a reason other then that
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    For the record, do you believe that any boxer in history ever ducked another boxer?
     
  13. moneytheman

    moneytheman New Member banned Full Member

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    Yea but not all
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Ok, which fighters did duck people?
     
  15. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Another delicately devised diabolical yet delectable dialectic tailored for the logically disabled. Crossy you are either a Man of Saintly Patience, a sly dog waiting to take a woefully over-matched opponent into deep water-where with his final breath he shall deny he is drowning...or just a masochist. :icon_pc:

    I deny that anyone ever existed unless they are literally surrounded by quotes!
    Which of course needs to be proven to have been present throught their lives by actual first hand accounts.
    If there are no confirmed original source quotes of folks bracketed with immaterial but visible emanations on each side-at least for significant portions of their adult lives...

    They are fictitious.
    Or at least unverified.

    " :campeon2:"