70s Foreman was a bit overrated IMO

Did you go to school? Why would you think that you're making any sort of argument against Vitali when we both know he had a torn rotator cuff?

One difference with Wlad compared to Foreman is that he reigned for a decade straight after the Brewster fight (and avenged it), whereas Foreman managed two successful title defenses in his entire career.

Lewis did not lose to Rahman due to bright lights and Don King, but he did avenge the loss which is something Foreman never did, ever.

Btw Foreman never had his temperature taken while in the ring with Young so ditch the "fighting at 104" BS.

 

this is nonsense. George brought plenty of technique on defense and although very large, was not easy to hit

Intelligently utilized a strong accurate jab, a good combination puncher, powerful right hand, and only needed a handful of shots to take care of the opponent

His destructions of Frazier, Roman, and Norton left audiences in awe, and rightfully so

 

Vitali lost to the two best fighters he faced. 98% of his resume are D and C level filler. He is not on Foreman's level. He did worse against his eras Jimmy Young than Foreman did, he got stopped lol.

I already said Wladmir rated higher historically than 70's Foreman both in terms of resume and h2h. What more do you want? I have Wladmir anywhere from 6-8 in my top 10. Foreman would be lucky to make #9 without his 2nd career. I have Lewis anywhere from 3-6.

Lewis and Wladmir both still got beat up by guys much smaller than them who didn't belong in the ring with them. Your argument is still poor. Young made everyone look bad. Foreman overheating, changing trainers, and having a stylistic clash are nowhere near as bad as Lewis being KOd in 1 punch to a guy like Rahman who isn't even Lewis' 4th best opponent. Oh wait a minute, I forgot that happened to him twice (McCall). Brewster accomplished what exactly, outside of beating Wladmir? What about the legendary Ross Purity, how does this record compare to Young? Do you really want to go down this route?

You can use google to figure out the temperature humans have to reach to have a heat stroke and require IV fluids from dehydration. I already provided 3 different sources. Considering you were unaware that larger, muscle bound people gas faster than smaller people, I'm honestly not surprised you're questioning basic medical facts that would take you 2 minutes to look up because it doesn't suit your agenda. If anyone needs to go to school it's you.

 

In a boxing ring, the guy who is bigger generally wears out the smaller guy. That is common knowledge to anyone who knows boxing.

Vitali understood pacing, which is why he made ten or so title defenses and knocked off several former champions and number one contenders. You refuse to accept the severity of a torn rotator cuff because you're a clown.

Wlad actually did have pacing issues. The difference between him and Foreman is that Wlad figured out how to pace himself and made a historic title run instead of becoming a preacher in some po'dunk part of Texas. No internet warrior ever defended Wlad with talk of bright lights, Don King curses, and four hour death sentence flights because Wlad actually redeemed himself.

 

Stylistically I've always found Foreman tough to watch, he looks bad even when he wins but I've come to admit for the most part he's gonna win. Still against Ali he was what Tyson is accused of being, a bully who couldn't stand up to someone who could give him a fight.

 

In boxing the offensive, high output aggressive guy tends to get tired faster than the defensive, low output guy. Did you not know this Mr. Boxing expert? It gets worse if offensive guy is built like a gorilla and the defensive guy is smaller not very muscular. Here's another biological tidbit since you apparently slept through all your science classes: bigger muscles need more oxygen and tire you out faster.

Foreman would have breezed through Vitali's rather unimpressive title defenses. Wheezing asthmatic 38 year old Briggs? Wide open target mindless slugger Arreola? Samuel "the caveman" Peter? You do realize the number of title defenses you can make depends on the quality of your opponents? How many champions do you think would struggle with Vitalis opponents? You refuse to accept that he had a garbage resume and his own younger brother looks like Joe Louis in comparison.

Wladmir and Lewis have better wins and overall careers than 70's Foreman, but they have far worse losses and it isn't close. You sat Lewis avenged his losses but he never should have lost to those guys in the first place.

Foreman figured out how to pace himself just like Wladmir, did you watch boxing in the 90's? The difference was he was still exciting to watch, unlike Wladmir's WWE wrestling matches.

 

70s Foreman is virtually guaranteed to have gassed out against several of Vitali’s opponents because it’s who he was. Since Vitali’s age during his second reign lines up with Old Foreman, we can assumed Old Foreman would’ve been outpointed by several because that’s who he was.

Foreman’s poor stamina in why he shouldn’t be a top five heavyweight on anyone’s list and why top ten is generous. Stop making excuses for the man.

Have I ever pointed out to you which two guys broke the record for punch output in a heavyweight fight? It isn’t Ike and Tua (although those two did outweigh 70s Foreman).

 

Not sure there was anyone on Vitalis list that doesn’t get squashed. Foreman wasn’t an automatic gas but certainly slick boxers with great chins gave him a hard time. The key to that is surviving Foreman. Which is easier said then done.

I can’t think of another fighter ever who would have won the title 20 years after losing it. Can’t take that from the man. His scalps of Frazier x2, Lyle, Moorer, Norton is a better top five then most champions ever. Who you beat means something. His losses are few (no fighter is unbeatable) and on many different nights he probably knocks out Young. Especially pre Ali foreman.

 

Foreman gassed twice in like 46 fights. Both of them were slippery counter punchers who were hard to hit. Both fights occured in a hot outdoor environment, and in one of those losses he had a dangerous heat stroke.

Those circumstances don't apply to any of Vitali's opponents other than Chris Byrd lol. The vast majority of vitalis opponents were slow easy to hit plodders. Foreman would have target practice.

I literally wrote that 70's Foreman being in the top 10 without his second career would be generous. I literally wrote that I don't even have Foreman in my top 5. Now I know for a fact you're not even ****ing reading my posts and you're just raging out hating on the guy.

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Big oops. Your bias has been exposed.

 

He was too inconsistent to do what Vitali did and the bigger, more durable heavyweights of Vitali's era would cause Foreman to work harder and gas out assuming he didn't revamp his style.

I'm not a big fan of guys whose resumes are based on a handful of wins. I can think of a guy who beat Lewis, Holmes, Akinwande, Seldon, Maskaev, and Damiani. You wouldn't be willing to put that guy next to Foreman, would you?

As for winning the title again, sure it's good, but it was also against Michael Moorer and the rematch never happened.

 

Not worth addressing in detail because you're simply lying out of frustration.

 

To be fair, yes, Wlad's fans did defend him with talk of poisoning and Don King curses.

 

It's said the TV lights made the temperature hotter than it's ever been in recent bouts, except for Bugner-Ali which was TWO years prior.