How Does Tony Tucker Match Up, With The Other Alphabet Guys?

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  1. Fergy

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    Surprised it took TT so long to get a title shot to be honest.
    If he'd perhaps faced some of the other belt holders from around 1984 say onward, could he have won?
     
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  2. jont

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    He could have beaten bonecrusher and Weaver I think... it may not fit the timeline that you are looking for in your post.. i think Pinky beats him.. Witherspoon too technical but could have been outhustled maybe... this was a great time of boxing for me and the early to mid 80's had so many potential matchups... but the lure of a Tyson fight stagnated all the potential fights from 86/87- 90 happening as the contenders waited for their shot
     
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  3. Saintpat

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    If you really look at his career progression, it makes complete sense that he didn’t get a shot earlier.

    He was (mostly at least) a light heavyweight as an amateur. It appears they took a pretty slow path early to allow him to grow into being a heavyweight.

    Then he was out 15 months after knee surgery from a bouts where he banged knees with his opponent and went down, unable to continue. Originally charged with a TKO loss, it was (rightly) changed to a no contest upon appeal. But when he returned to the ring more than a year later, you can see that his first several fights back were against D-level opposition (presumably to test the knee and make sure he was completely over it).

    So he didn’t face anyone of any note at all in his first 31 fights other than a now-journeyman Jimmy Young and a still-had-a-good-record-but-not-a-contender Eddie Lopez. In fight 32 he beat James Broad for the USBA title and next fight was with Buster for a vacant belt.

    Of course that was followed with the Tyson fight, and if you look at how he was handled after that he was fighting pretty much stay-busy fights. In fact, for the next SEVEN YEARS after Tyson the only decent opponents on his record were Orrin Norris and Oliver McCall — both split decision wins — until he faced Lennox Lewis.

    On the whole, there’s very little substance on his record. Mostly Dusty Trunks and Willie Fall types, not even many guys with good records who aren’t very good that at least make the resume look better than it is.

    When he fights Lennox Lewis in 1993, his record is 48-1 and there’s not really even five good wins on that ledger.
     
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  4. Titan1

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    He got injured for 8 months or so fighting on the Leonard-Hearns undercard as well.
     
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  5. red corner

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    You know your stuff. But he's the only man to last the distance with Tyson ( injued hand in round one ) and Lewis.

    He also beat Douglas, McCall and Norris. Two lineal champions and one curiser weight champion. These are decent opponents.

    The surgrey and no fully dedicating himself to boxing held his considerable gifts back. That and lack of a manager. IMO one of the better alphabet champions.
     
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  6. Saintpat

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    Yeah I’m not saying he was a complete bum but I do believe he wasted most of his prime not fighting the type fights that could have separated him.

    He’s basically defined by two losses more than any win on his resume. There’s not a lot of ‘there’ there when you look at his record. If he was 24-1 when he fought Lennox and you just eliminated like half the meaningless wins, nobody would notice.
     
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  7. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    just another version of bugner. big strong guy capable of hanging in there with anyone. but getting his hand raised at the end is a much different proposition than hanging tough.
     
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  8. Fergy

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    Excellent comparison zad. It's given me a thread idea.
     
  9. red corner

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    He beat James Douglas and Oliver McCall... two guys who beat Lewis and Tyson before meeting Lewis. This is a resume not to be discounted. In addition he was injured vs a prime Mike Tyson and lasted the distance. He also beat James Broad " ax " and a faded Jimmy Young. Imo a top 100 heavyweight . Final reord 57-7 with late losses when he was past his prime. This is better than 90% of the top ten today, maybe all of them! Don't they all have 25 meaningless fights? I think they do.
     
  10. Saintpat

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    He had basically 35 meaningless fights in his first 45, maybe more.

    Yes he ended up with one good win. McCall was considered a gatekeeper at best til he landed a punch against Lennox and did nothing after really to show that he was any more than that.

    If we’re going to hand out trophies for beating Jimmy Young at that stage then we need to put Ossie Ocasio in the hall of fame for twice beating a much fresher, younger, better version.

    Lotta chaff and not much wheat on that resume.
     
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  11. bboyrei

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    His best win was Douglas and that became recognized only 3 years later when Douglas beat Mike.
     
  12. red corner

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    Doulgas, McCall, and Broad are three wins hard to beat for say the top 50 heavyweights. If you wish list 50 men who had a better resume of wins. Just saying Tucker left his mark and lasting the disnace with Lewis and Tyson means something. Overall his quality of men fought is excellent.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    Top 50 in his day? Sure. All time? Are you serious? I could probably name a couple hundred heavyweights who had three better wins … and more than three actually.

    James Broad lost to Marvis Frazier. Oliver was sturdy and caught lightning in a bottle vs. Lennox but that’s about all he ever did (and Tucker won by a split over him). Douglas was a good win but he basically just gave up mid-fight right?

    As for losing it Tyson and Lewis, boxing must be the only sport where you get credit for who you lose to.
     
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    Lewis and Tyson wer the best in mid 80's to 90's. Yes losing to them to via decison mean something considering who they knocked out. It not like he lost to mere contenders. You say you could name a couple of 100? Calling BS here. Name them. I tip my hat if your can.
     
  15. Saintpat

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    You’re serious? Look up any list of top heavyweights of all time and see where he stands.