How many modern-type HWs did Ezzard Charles fight?

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How many modern-type (215lb+) HWs did Ezzard Charles fight?

  1. Four.

  2. Three.

  3. Two.

  4. One (Louis' ghost).

  5. One (Someone else).

  6. Zero. Not a single one.

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes also lost to 199 pound LHW Spinks. Not sure what your point is to these threads. You still can’t answer why big men of the day didn’t dominate the field. You can’t admit the smaller men were just better and the weight made little difference.
     
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  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let’s be realistic here. Ali only fought like 13 people at that weight. Frazier 8 or 9. Archie Moore fought 5 does a handful of fighters really make you think one is incapable of possibly handling heavier opponents? As someone who still spars much heavier men and lighter men I don’t understand your argument at all. One of the hardest hitters I’ve ever met weighed 185-190 another 205. Your arguments don’t make much sense from an actual boxing stand point. Gaining weight is not a skill and it’s about time it’s stopped paraded around as such.
     
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  3. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Welcome to the RBV-CoV-2 Support Group.

    There's still room in the meeting. Discuss your problems with others.
    Regarding the original RBV, we've made huge progress. No Rocky-Foreman or Rocky-Ibeabuchi threads anymore.
    But RBV-Cov-2, facing the same situation as RBV, is on the rise.

    Don´t let this stuff take your mind. Discuss the facts with others. One of these facts:

    90sVander was a >= 210lb warrior.
    Whats Archie Moores HW record against 90sVander-like opponents?
    Does this record make him a favorite against 90sVander?

    Discuss your problem with others. Please include @70sFan865 too, he needs lots of input.
     
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  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    13 fighters at 216+ is hell more than one or two. Especially if one of these guys is prime George Foreman.
    But I already said, you can drop to 210-212 if you want. Feel free. Ali fought dozens of guys of todays overnight-CW. Do we really need to discuss the #1 HW resume next to former LHWs, upping to a 80s-CWs era (then called HW)?
    Talking about former LHWs. The huge trimmed to the bones LHW Michael Spinks lost the rematch to Larry Holmes in most eyes. To an 50 fights aging Larry Holmes.
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It just means your point is nonsense. Larry beat up on the heavier opponents but lost to the under 200 pounder. Your weight obsession is actually meaningless to the sport and really holds little to no benefit in 15 round bouts. Men were allowed to be heavier w less stamina because of shorter fights and performance enhancing drugs. It means nothing to actually possessing and using skill. The men of yesteryear would be just as skilled but also have access to PEDS today. Meaning probably similar results.
     
  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why should I waste time for someone who can't use boxrec?
     
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  7. 70sFan865

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    This forum would be so much better with different mods politics. A shame, because the quality of discussion is much lower than it could be.
     
  8. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    The objective of this debate is a workup, a progress. Not for me or anybody, but for yourself! Srsly, you're welcome to join this group at any time.
    Therefor I´d like to encourage yourself and check boxrec. Its a handful at best.
    Progress bonus question: Does this resume make Ezzard Charles an objective pick at an environment like that?

    It depends.
    On one hand, all of us would have saved lots of time in threads like "David Tua versus Jim Corbett", "Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?" or "Rocky Marciano vs. George Foreman".
    On the other hand, from a medical/psychological point of view, these cases are very interesting.
     
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  9. mr. magoo

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    He also fought Elmer Ray who I think was a good size
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    Ezzard charles fought and beat plenty of men who were bigger than himself weather they fell into the category of “ modern heavyweight” or not. What I’d REALLY like to see is a thread asking how many men Tyson Fury ever fought who were his OWN size
     
  11. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    Gazelle...

    Of course it's not nonsense.
    The late Larry Holmes finally lost after 20+ defense, but came back to win the rematch.
    Regarding stamina of the 80s, I´m sorry again to emphasize you're wrong: Larry Holmes attended in TWENTY 15-round title fights and many of his rivals had to go 15 rounds in their era.

    Regarding PEDS: We have a) no idea who did anabolics and who didn´t, or who did catabolics for that matter, b) nor do we know what any 50s guy could do with anabolics. Its two cases of a unknown.
     
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  12. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    This is true.
    And to be fair, someone could have asked how many fighters Liston and prime Foreman met who were same size as them. Weight advantages get overlooked.
    But even if someone beat guys 10lb bigger than himself, doesn´t make that boxer a favorite against fighters 30lb+ heavier with the total absence of knowledge in cases like that.
     
  13. mr. magoo

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    In most cases it wouldn’t make him a favorite no. But it can happen. Look at joe Louis and some of the guys he beat.
     
  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

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  15. Gazelle Punch

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    Last point is true. We don’t know how they would be with modern training. History tells us moving up gaining functional weight isn’t a difficult accomplishment.

    Larry lost the rematch in a close match. Certainly can’t get credit for a win.