Wilder’s résumé is aging like a fine wine

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Stop.

    You’ve lost all credibility.

    Your points scoring system is completely biased.


    If you were a bigger fan of AJ, you’d have just swapped your opinions over.


    No.

    Everybody understands what you’re doing here.


    Anyone can spin a narrative.

    I could say that AJ deserved huge credit and points for continuing to get up and for immediately rematching him Ruiz.

    I could also say that Wilder lost points for failing in THREE cracks at Tyson whilst blaming his suit.
     
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  2. Belfast

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    Duhaupas would have been considered one of the Klitschko non descript Eurobums knocked out in a few rounds, in Wilder land he is a legit threat to take the belt ,like Washington and Szpilka,who would be also rans at best in Klitchsko era
     
  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Did the Neet just state that Duhaupas would have stood a good chance against AJ? Forgive me but I just can't bring myself to read another one of his long-winded logic-distorting posts to verify for myself.
     
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    Duhaupas would bit the deck in four and be considered another Klitschko Euro joke opponent
     
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  5. Heavyrighthand

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    He’s only good win was just one fighter; Ortiz.
    Period
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    He thinks that:


    Duhaupas would have had a real shot at beating AJ

    Stiverne would have had a very good chance at beating AJ

    Stiverne would have smashed/schooled Andy Ruiz
     
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  7. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    In which case I think the Neet has a very good chance of ending up on a ton more ignore lists.

    Not sure why I haven't added him myself yet, since his entertainment value as resident Wilder carrot-muncher has dropped to near zero.
     
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    Everydays a school day...
     
  9. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    You don't understand the concept. If you thought Wilder's opponents were terrible but they went on to beat guys who they were not expected to beat, the record could only age well.
     
  10. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    NEETzschean I agree more with your “fine wine” theme than with “egg sandwich”.
    If nothing else at least you, and your topics have become popular.
    You didn't use dirty tricks for that, and how much you were arguing.
    You have my support.
     
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  11. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Unfortunate circumstances"

    What utter BS. If Wilder had injured his shoulder and quit or had his face badly cut and got stopped, you wouldn't be making these excuses for him. Having better physical health is a clear advantage in combat sports and if you're less willing to quit (whether it's the right choice from a health perspective or not) then you'll stay undefeated for longer. Vitali's biggest advantage over Wilder is skill, he's a much better technical boxer. But Wilder is a vastly bigger puncher and that attribute will serve you better against many opponents. Wilder is also faster and longer than Vitali and most other SHW's, so "not landing his shot" hadn't been a problem for him in his career. If Wilder can land on a defensively-orientated Fury, he can land on anyone he fights and almost none have Fury's powers of recovery.

    "Every fighter matches up differently"

    Yes, and Ruiz wouldn't match well with Stiverne's style. Stiverne wouldn't trade with Ruiz as AJ did, he would school him on the backfoot with his height, reach and power advantage as he did prime Arreola. 40+ retired Arreola had never been a backfoot boxer, couldn't do it to the longer, more skilled Stiverne but was able to have a lot of success against Ruiz. And Ruiz's chin has been overestimated: he was dropped early by AJ, dropped earlier and hurt multiple times by Arreola. Stiverne would have more than enough power to hurt and drop Ruiz, which would keep Ruiz hesitant to engage like Arreola 1, or KO'd if he became overzealous like Arreola 2.

    "apart from his win over Helenius, he was a career Euro level fighter"

    Aside from Ruiz's win over AJ, he's been a career Euro level fighter. A Euro level fighter with size, chin, relentlessness and heart would have a decent chance of drowning AJ on an off-night. We saw it at a lower level with Puritty against a young Wlad. You don't need big power to hurt/drop/concuss AJ and he can be demoralised, made to quit.
     
  12. NEETzschean

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    Wach was one of Wlad's top 10 challengers of his 9+ year reign. Many of Wlad's defences were considerably worse than Washington and Szpilka (who beat Wach).

    Duhaupas wasn't a serious threat to Wilder because Wilder had good durability, heart and engine. Ruiz was a legit threat to AJ because AJ didn't have Wilder's durability, heart or engine. Wlad isn't the best example because his first loss was to a poor man's Duhaupas in Puritty.
     
  13. NEETzschean

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    Duhaupas KO'd Helenius, who was being groomed as a top contender in the Klitschko era.
     
  14. Loudon

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    What’s BS?

    Vitali lost 2 fights that he was winning.

    He was way ahead in the Byrd fight.

    He doesn’t have a better resume because he had numerous surgeries and he missed out on 4 years worth of opponents.

    Sure, Wilder gets credit for his longevity.

    Vitali was clearly a much better fighter than Wilder though, irrespective of his thin resume.


    Regarding Ruiz, I would pick Ruiz to beat Stiverne. Again, if Stiverne hadn’t been one of Wilder’s better wins, you wouldn’t even mention him. Again, you have to hype him because Wilder’s resume is so thin.

    Start a thread.


    Regarding Ruiz and Duhaupas, Ruiz IS a world class HW, whereas Duhaupas is a career Euro level HW.
     
  15. NEETzschean

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    "Vitali was clearly a much better fighter than Wilder though, irrespective of his thin resume."

    Vitali was clearly much more skilled than Wilder but Wilder is clearly much more powerful, longer and probably a lot faster (Wlad said that Wilder was extremely fast twice in the same sentence when asked about Wilder-AJ in 2018 and Wilder claimed that Wlad told him he was the fastest heavyweight he'd even been in a ring with).

    If you can level your opponent with one shot at any time, that makes up for a lot of technical deficiencies. And when you have great speed, length and toughness (mental and physical) to add to that equation among other things, you become a H2H nightmare.

    "if Stiverne hadn’t been one of Wilder’s better wins, you wouldn’t even mention him...Ruiz IS a world class HW"

    If Ruiz hadn't have had a Buster Douglas night against a vulnerable champ in AJ, no one would regard him as anything more than a fringe contender. Ross Puritty didn't become a "world class HW" just because he beat Wlad. Ruiz's 2nd most impressive performance is losing a controversial MD to Parker in NZ but Parker also has controversial MD's and SD's against Hughie and Chisora: are they also "world class HW's"? Aside from that it's competitive 10 and 12 round fights against washed up versions of Liakhovich, Kevin and Arreola. The mutual opponent of note is Arreola, who Stiverne was able to both school and brutally KO in his prime, displaying more to his overall game than I've seen from Ruiz.