Who does Marciano beat?

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  1. cuchulain

    cuchulain VIP Member Full Member

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    Fixed.



    At least 49 dudes.
     
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  2. Barrf

    Barrf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't Marciano be a LHW under current rules? He came in at 182-183 fully hydrated. He could have easily cut down to 175 the day before.

    Yet he's beating modern HWs?

    I have such a difficult time with the size difference there. What does a 183lb guy with a 67in reach do against a 277lb guy with an 85in reach?

    NOW... if you want to discuss how he'd do at LHW, that's a totally different story.
     
  3. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    if the guy who made that video is serious, why doesn't he find a fighter and train him to use terrible footwork and find out how successful he'd be? The video is ridiculous, it takes a major mistake/weaknesses and tries to turn it into a strength. After I heard the guy try to make moving the back foot first when going forward into a strength I couldn't watch the rest. Moving the back foot up before moving the front foot only gives a guy a narrow base, it doesn't assist in anything. Just shows that speeding up video, slowing video, etc. while talking can make some people believe anything.
     
  4. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Who does he beat?

    He beat every single fighter that he ever faced.

    That is the reality!
     
  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First off, Marciano did not fight in a stance one would normally see, That back foot shuffle that Marciano did help keep him in pace with his foe, and manage his powershots. There was more to the video than footwork.
     
  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Except for Charles in one of the fights, you have all of the ages wrong.
    You should check these things first, & do not just look at the yer born, but if they turned that age by the time of the fight.
    You were not close with the age of Moore though.

    In another post you understated the weight of Walcott.
     
  7. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

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    If a fighter's footwork is wrong, everything is wrong. Good fighters fight from the ground up, if what the feet are doing is wrong, everything the fighter is doing above the feet will be wrong too. Calling what RM did a "rear foot shuffle" is a nice euphemism. I don't understand how bringing one's rear foot up to just behind the front foot as the fighter is advancing can assist a fighter in anyway. Moving the front foot and then bringing the rear foot makes much more sense to me, a fighter can maintain balance, get where he is going quicker, be in a position to be effective offensively or defensively, etc.
     
  8. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Than if Rocky's footwork was wrong, how did he win 49 fights in a row, win the heavyweight title and retire undefeated?
     
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  9. Bah Lance

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    His footwork was wrong in all the right ways. He took left/right steps in the ring to close distance. Nobody does that.
     
  10. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really see no big reason why people make a big deal on the Rock's footwork, right or wrong he made it work. He was still able to close the gap, cut off the ring and deliver a pounded even if it look like he had 2 left feet. He knew what position he needed to be in to land his blows, duck or dodge to get out of the way and counter attack again. You need some decent footwork at least for that.
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are some on this forum that think they understand boxing mechanics but don’t have much of a clue. Small fighters don’t fight the same way as big fighters for one. They NEED to adapt different methods of closing the gap, defense, combos etc then their taller competitors. Something a lot of coaches aren’t to good at today.

    you can’t be unbalanced at the highest level of boxing…can’t. You wouldn’t make it. I don’t care what era it is. You’d be getting floored all over the place. One thing some posters don’t get is when you’re unbalanced you don’t have power. How the heck did someone record the highest KO percentage in HW history?
    Marciano also didn’t walk with his back foot first…that’s ridiculous. Maybe he used some kind of shuffle occasionally but I’m sure it was always balanced (unless he was punching off the back leg for the gazelle punch which is common place; I didn’t watch the video nor feel the need to I’ve seen enough fights to know a bs statement).
     
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  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It was used in traditional karate tournaments for blitzing an opponent -- distracting the opponent while moving the rear foot up, to give a false sense of distance before rapidly closing the distance with combinations. Usually prepared by feints.

    That said, karate also (1) has point rules that change the game compared to boxing, and (2) has kicking, which changes the range game and stances a lot as well.

    The video guy looks like he's coming from a martial arts background, so my guess is that's what's at work. He's probably not looking at Marciano from a 100%* orthodox boxing coach's perspective. Which might be an advantage (fresh eyes looking at Marciano as an example of a different system of fistfighting entirely -- Marciano-fu, if you will), or a disadvantage (martial arts guy doesn't know what he's looking at, and should stay in his lane.)

    Like I said, though: just a guess.



    * Percentage Zoomerism provided for Seamus's benefit.
     
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  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Another one bites the dust. See ya soon or never. One Gadfly to another.
     
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  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Maricano beat Louis, WalcottX2, CharlesX2 and Moore, as well as Savold, LaStarzaX2, Layne, Matthews, and Cockell. Muscato, Shkor, Reynolds, LoweryX2 and Vingo were also notable.

    Yes, all the greats were past their best, and yes, a couple of the fights were either-way affairs. None of that withstanding, it is still fine record to go undefeated.

    By the way, I will say it again: the guy was a murderous puncher who could throw almost a hundred punches in the 15th round of a fight...I would give him some chance against any man who has ever laced up the gloves, although I would favor most quality modern suer-heavies.
     
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