Top 5, Middle Weight Chins?

Yes that's the legitimate KD i mentioned. If you take that into account and strictly stick to his 160 resume, which is quite thin compared to some career middleweights with impressive durability then you could argue him out of the five on a personal list. I mean i have no trouble with people having him in there. Imagine tho that he retired after the second McCallum fight, which is when he left middleweight for good. We'd be looking at this question from an entirely different angle.

 

Yeah there's certainly not many punches masterful guys like those two don't see coming, and therefore brace for.

 

Toney, Tiger, Hagler, Monzon, Lamotta

 

In all honesty, more people went the distance with Freddie Steele instead of inside the distance. Plus, Sanderline Williams fought murderer's row heavy punchers and Jones resume is nowhere near the level of Williams. Unlike Jones, Williams went the distance with way, way, way, way, way more dangerous punchers. He last the distance against:

Gerald McClellan - Look, this puncher alone is much impressive than lasting the distance with Freddie Steele. McClellan is not just a hard puncher but also a scientifically refined one with great accuracy, precision and speed. Not to mention effective killer instinct.

Nigel Benn - He is known for being a big puncher SMW. Imagine, fighting a constantly moving forward fighter with an aggression 10x more fearsome than Freddie Steele. A literal Mike Tyson in MW.

Merqui Sosa - An underrated puncher. He was like a George Foreman in MW. He doesn't have the speed, precision, skill or timing.. but he can quickly pound you to death. If you're rugged, he can beat the living sh!t outta you to get an ez TKO 2. Look what happen to Williams, Morgan and Frazier, those guy are durable but was easily dealt by Sosa.

Lindell Holmes - An obsecure fighter who can pack tons of power. Herol Graham said he was the 2nd hardest puncher he ever fought.

"Dangerous" Don Lee - Another puncher Holmes's caliber. Knocked out Tony Sibson who had a good chin.

Iran Barkley - Not the most cuncussive hitter, but still dangerous. He had a mean left hook that has stopped guys like Michael Olajide who Hearns couldn't. Williams went to war with this guy and last the distance.

James Toney - A counterpuncher with underrated power. Toney could put anybody lights out if his punches land right. He knocked out quality men and and dropped cruiserweight champion Vassiliy Jirov who even he admitted Toney hit him the hardest. He fought Toney TWICE.

Dwight Davison - Underrated 80s MW contender with a right hand from hell. He was the first fighter to knock out the durable light heavywweight Murray Sutherland (KO4) and Sugar Ray Seales. He was simply dangerous and showed tremendous power mostly in his fights.

Herol Graham - I have to admit, he is not a big puncher.. but he was slick and can punch. He's counterpunching ability is so good he can led some fighters hit with best shots and had them badly hurt. Middleweight legend Sumbu Kalambay told that Graham had heavy hands.

Look at all of this. The fact that you discredit Williams chin just becuz he had "Only 40 bouts" is INSANELY ABSURD.

 

Steele's KO percentage at a boxrec glance can easily be grossly misinterpreted due to the sheer amount of 6 rounders he fought, and to a lesser extent 4 rounders. The gulf between going 4 or 6 and going 10-15 is IMMENSE. Steele has almost 60 of these shortened bouts that went the distance. In a stack of them he had opponents in big trouble and plenty of them would likely not have seen the 10th.

It's all very easy to name drop all of the above because they are so recent and have film abound. If you think Gorilla didn't fight his share of punchers in 150+ fights then i don't really know what to say. Just because you are unaware of them and haven't seen barely any of them doesn't change the fact that a 16 year period will have plenty of punchers. Joe Louis and Gorilla crossed over by more than half a decade so we certainly know they knew how to throw punches.

Dwight Davison was one of the more uninspiring punchers I've seen. He could sleepwalk in there at times. He ended up being a disappointment and i watched his career unfold real time. Had some talent but not so much the fire. Seales had been dropped 3 times and stopped in less than half a round by Hagler well prior to meeting Davison. He'd also been stopped years earlier by Minter. His best days were well gone as seen by his fast loss to Hagler. Sutherland had 4 fights at the time he lost to Davison and he'd lost 2 of them one by stoppage. He wasn't remotely the fighter we'd come to know years later. Davison was green as well but well ahead of Sutherland in development.

What's "INSANELY ABSURD" is you claiming i "discredit"ed Sanderline's chin. What i did was try to open your eyes to the fact that Gorilla had 150+ fights while being dropped just once and never stopped to Sanderline's 40 odd. I said nothing about Sanderline not having a top chin or anything about the quality of his chin. Blind Freddy can boxrec the names he fought and lasted against. Sure, it's extremely impressive. Just because you have little to no knowledge of Gorilla's era doesn't change the fact that his is an almighty achievement. All those years and all those fights. If only we had some best i faced articles from the middleweight's of the 30's where some of the punchers were spoke about in glowing terms.

 

Toney right in there too … a terrific fighter and extremely tough guy.

 

I get that yeah, But, how can you rate Tiger over Toney?

 

I may or may not but didn’t make a top five but listed five or so guys w the addition of many others.

 

Steele also turned pro at 13. Something which would obviously massively effect his KO percentage.

 

Great point, wow. That's insane.

 

Just watched Hagler Hamsho 1986. How on earth did Hamsho stay up ?

 

Marcel Cerdan 116 fights 1 stoppage / injury.
Mike Gibbons 113 fights never stopped.
Bert Lytell 113 fights 1 stoppage on cuts.
Not bad chins. stay safe guys.

 

he is always forgotten & bypassed in these Middleweight scenarios, but the man cannot be denied...

Not only has he got one of the Greatest KO numbers in Boxing history, 88 (often reported at 90), he also Only Lost 14 times in a 147 Contests and as too this thread, he was only Stopped Twice, one by injury to his back muscle...

JOCK McAVOY - 132 Wins (88 ko's), 14 Losses (2 tko's), 1 Draw... pretty darn amazing really.

BoxRec: Jock McAvoy

Arguably Britain's greatest middleweight.

 

I know. You'd have thought the other 1985 fights would have taken a lot out of him.