Florentino "The Ox" Fernandez Appreciation Thread

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  1. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    What a violent, violent fighter he was. Real restless puncher who earned his nickname. A real anyone anywhere gun slinger sort of boxer. Look at some of the names on that record! He splattered Torres 2 and a bit years from the title at 160lbs and was the only blemish on Jose's record going into the Tiger fights and the only man to stop him. He isn't anything like a hidden gem for most like say Midget Wolgast who was an unearthed legend, no, he was a classic bomber from the era who racked up an even score of losses and wins impressive and unimpressive. law of averages baby. I am not sure what happened during 65-72 but... Jeez, some coin filp results with err, less then stellar comp. At the peak of his powers in 1964 he was 37 (31 KOs) (That KO percent rises if you subtract the 6 and 4 rounder PTS fights (31/34) he had 7 Losses (2 Via proper KO) One by a young Carter whom blitzed him, another by Rocky Kalinga a guy who only scored 9 KOs... he wasn't exactly made of Kevlar! The others were all a matter of his very, very cuttable skin apparently and a badly broken nose from Tiger. But his power is undeniable, lot of the guys who survived him at his peak were very, very durable or savvy. He was a fringe sort, an action cowboy who even fought a few early days legend like Griffith who just started stepping into deep waters. Man knocked down everyone he beat (In Ten rounders) that he didn't stop. Our sport is built on the backs of guys like "The Ox" rest easy rough rider ya ain't forgotten!
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  2. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    Definition of a entertating tv fighter.

    Pit him in today’s era and he wins the vacsnt IBF knocking out Fernando Guerrero and unifies with the WBO by slashing Lemieux.
    What they call today “unified champs”.
     
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  3. Journeyman92

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    Not sure about either guys, but what Fernandez did to Torres was brutish, I think he'd do well staying at WW. He'd make it today, he was one for a bit back then and was absolutely HUGE. He dwarfed Tiger in every manner at MW. plausibly could be a LW today, he'd look scary.
     
  4. OP_TheJawBreaker

    OP_TheJawBreaker NOBODY hit like that guy! Full Member

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    The way he blasted Torres shows how overrated Jose Torres is imo. His peek a boo style gets too much credit considering he's one of the three fighters to use it. Fernandez is also great puncher himself, blasted some very good fighters and an had entertaining style.

    I would say he's the greatest crowd pleaser, I don't describe his style "crowd pleasing", more like simple and straightforward. He's like Joe Louis, one dimensionally straightforward but still very dangerous. Tho I don't think Fernandez was that consistent on putting up shows, but he was less and much better quality action. Some of the best fights you could watch are:

    Joey Giambra (Great FIGHT)
    Gene Fullmer (Terrific War)
    Dick Tiger (Good Fight)

    Florentino Fernandez vs. Juan Carlos Rivero (2nd meeting)
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    Florentino Fernandez 159 lbs beat Juan Carlos Rivero 161 lbs by TKO at 3:00 in round 7 of 10

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    • Date: 1963-12-13
    • Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
    • Referee: Johnny LoBianco 6-1
    • Judge: Tony Castellano 5-2
    • Judge: Frank Forbes 5-1
    The first two rounds were slow, as both boxers fought cautiously. The two fought an exciting third round, as the both scored, with Rivero getting the best of it, in what was his best round of the fight. Rivero finished the third round, with a cut under his chin, and added cuts over his eyes in the 4th round. The ring doctor examined Rivero's right eye after the 5th round, but the blood continued to flow, and the bout was halted at the conclusion of the 7th round.

    Florentino Fernandez vs. Gaspar Ortega (2nd meeting)
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    Florentino Fernandez 146 lbs beat Gaspar Ortega 147 lbs by SD in round 10 of 10

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    • Date: 1959-10-30
    • Location: Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, USA
    • Referee: Al Berl 4-5
    • Judge: Frank Forbes 6-2
    • Judge: Jack Gordon 5-4
    "Florentino Fernandez of Cuba outpointed Gaspar Ortega of Mexico in a thriller at MSG Friday night for his 22nd straight professional victory. Unbeaten Fernandez was the aggressor in every round with his left-hooking attack; but he was hard-pressed to win because of Ortega's countering attacks and surprising power in the many exchanges. And the Cuban had to be content with a split 10 round decision. Ortega was bleeding from his nose and mouth at the finish. Fernandez bled from the mouth and from a cut under his right eye." -United Press International


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    • MSG matchmaker Teddy Brenner claimed to have an agreement from welterweight champion Don Jordan for a Jan. 22, 1960 non-title fight with the winner of this match. Moreover, Brenner stated he now wished to make the bout with the title at stake. Neither fight materialized.
     
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    I liked your post, but I no way in hell support the highlighted bit.
     
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  6. scartissue

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    If you wish to see a couple of more very entertaining Fernandez fights I would highly recommend his bouts with Rory Calhoun and Jose Gonzalez. Very entertaining.
     
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  7. OP_TheJawBreaker

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    I just think he's a bit overrated as a crowd pleaser. I give him 8/10 for his style, 7/10 in consistency and 8/10 out of quality action in each of his fights. Overall, he's still an entertaining fighter. One of my favs actually (#32). Forget my terrible list last year in Rummy's Corner's video.. I didn't have enough time to recognize more boxers or think of making an actual list.