If Joe Louis Had Never Come Around?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    If, in another universe, Joe Louis Had Never existed...
    Who beats Braddock?
    Baer?
    Schmeling?

    And is there a Contender From Louis s era that can keep hold of the title for a decent length of time?

    Would Jersey Joe get a Crack earlier?





     
  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    Jersey Joe Walcott would perhaps have gained sooner attention & opportunity... He is an Elite Fighter anyway.
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I can't see anybody holding the title for very long, and you would expect it to change hands a lot.

    Nobody was a standout, and champions of the era were expected to fight strong contenders.
     
  4. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's about it in a nutshell!
     
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  5. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Schmeling wins it back, after that it gets fuzzy
     
  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I kind of think the same Politics would still apply and Schmeling gets no shot at Braddock. I'm thinking Braddock either rematches Baer or starts his march down the Joe Louis list, skipping over Schmeling if he gets that far. Farr, Mann, Thomas...
     
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  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    So who are the likely winners in this scenario?

    I think it is quite likely that either Max Schmeling or Max Baer, would have become the first two time world champion, but I doubt that either of them holds it for very long.

    After that the title changes hands a lot.

    Farr, Pastor, Goddoy, Conn, Nova, Baer Jr and Bivins could all plausibly hold the title before the war, or just as plausibly never hold it.

    If there is one of them who simply too good not to hold it at some point then it is Conn, but the timing is not on his side.

    After the war the picture muddies even further.

    The titles are frozen, so whoever holds it before the war might hold it after, and they might be oven ready to be taken.

    Men like Bettina, Bivins, and Mauriello might be able to exploit this chaos.

    After that brief honeymoon, Ray is coming for them, then Walcott is coming for them.

    Frankly Walcott is probably too good not to hold it, significantly earlier than he did in the actual timeline, then Charles is coming for him.

    Their rivalry might even see one or both of them become a two time champion.

    Whichever of them comes out on top, is on a collision course with Marciano, then the actual timeline reasserts itself.
     
  8. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Difficult to say. Schmeling was ageing, Baer too. I think Lee Savold would have been in the mix.
     
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  9. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray?
     
  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s banned Full Member

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    No one defines the era. It'll be chaos.
     
  11. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    Elmer Ray.

    I'll stick with a JJW possibility though.
     
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  12. janitor

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    Elmer Ray split a series with Walcott and Charles, and he was the #1 contender before either of them.

    It is not far fetched to imagine a scenario where he holds the title briefly.
     
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  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yes. I can see him grabbing the title at some point. Not sure how long he holds it like.
    In fact, if they were defending the title regularly then I don't see many holding on to it for years. It could be similar to the alphabet boys from the 80 s.
     
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  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Almost 20 yrs of the championship changing
    hands with no truly dominant champ until
    Marciano arrives.
     
  15. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Boxing would be a lot less interesting.
     
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