Manny Pacquiao is becoming underrated on this forum

Its mab, no question.

 

And he lost fighting at those lower weights and got ktfo when he did. Great fighter an atg but no where near the Goat top 25 at best.

 

He never really beat jmm clearly but imo jmm is better than mab

 

Srl beat hearns Duran Hagler and benitez. His worst of that 3 would be pacs best win. Also srl never had any bad loses, pac has.

 

All smoke and mirrors with srl though.
I give him the win over young hearns eventhough hearns would have won over 12 rounds like he did when he got robbed years later.
Hagler win is pac vs Jmm type stuff and he waited him out for years and stacked the deck like he always did.
With Duran he got beat up and had an AJ vs Ruiz type rushed rematch.
And mab > benitez.
I think SRL is a great boxer but lets not fool us into he hasnt a lot of asteriks like Canelo due to his smoke and mirrors career.

 

Both Floyd and Lewis are ranked higher than Pacquiao and Wladimir in almost any ranking... so actually, you seem to underrate other fighters...

I will only speak about BoxRec (pound for pound), but it's generally the same thing elsewhere :

Floyd = 2
Manny = 21
Lewis = 17
Wladimir = 41

https://boxrec.com/en/ratings?r[role]=proboxer&r[sex]=M&r[division]=&r[country]=&r[stance]=&r[status]=&r_go=

Also, Floyd beat Manny. Lewis beat Vitali before retiring.

 

I could say pac was all smoke and mirrors. Fought guys coming off loses and not at their best. Lost to two bums and failed to deliver in the fight of the era against pbf his biggest rival. He also never beat jmm clearly in 4 fights getting ktfo by him lost to a faded erik Morales which is why his best win is mab who was coming off a brain surgery. He also got lucky against sanchez a fight that no one likes to bring up because Sanchez wasn't good and would've beaten pac if not for the point deductions and still got the draw.
Srls win over hearns and Duran are 100000000 light years better than anyone pac ever beat. Hell Hagler is to. There's no case to be made that pac is greater than srl. Srl has some of the wins in boxing history pac doesn't.

 

He was also inactive bonehead and you decline faster the older you get, the Pacquiao that fought Thurman was a decent bit better than the one that fought Ugas. Ugas also has a tougher style for Pacquiao, but a prime Pacquiao would beat Ugas. The fact that Pacquiao beat Thurman as a middle aged man means a much faster more explosive prime Pacquiao would have disposed of Thurman like smelly trash with ease.

Prime Pacquiao > Ugas

Also Pacquiao was robbed against Bradley in fight 1. It was an atrocious robbery. The fact that this is a debate proves to me you score fights with feelings and not objectivity. Theres a reason Pac convincingly the next 2 fights, because he should've won the first one

 

Personally I don't think he should have gotten the nod against Hagler, but agree with the rest.

 

I already told you stylistically Ugas was a problem for Pacquiao. Stop being an idiot and enjoy tonight’s fights.

 

For an old faded Pacquiao yes whose legs were gone. At his best or even the one that fought Thurman makes mince meat out of Ugas, shells up and takes shots on the guard, face easily swells, slow feet and not a lot of power

 

Norris and Camacho werent bad losses? What you talking about fool, what were pacquiaos bad losses him when he was malnourished at the lower weights early in his career or what?

 

Crazy how you only bring up the circumstances for Pacquiaos fights. Leonard fought a fat Duran 3 months after the 1st fight and everyone knows how fat duran would get out of camp especially the 1st leonard fight theres even a face to face interview before the fight was signed showing how overweight duran and a win over him isnt one of the greatest in history, hes WAAAY smaller than Leonard. pacquiao has been smaller or the same size as everyone hes fought. leonards best win is hearns imo the h2h WW goat.

Barrera had the brain surgery after the 2 Junior Jones fights why are you making up that he had it before the Pacquiao fights? What do you gain from literally lying and spreading false information. SRL doesnt even some of the greatest wins in history at all. he beat a smaller duran, a top 5 win all time in hearns and a good win over a hagler who retired after but was coming off the war with mugabi and its a contreversial win at that. Pacquiao is levels above SRL in all time ranking