Oleksandr Usyk > Lennox

Why would i need to argue against pure speculation ? Anyone can say anything in such a situation, so it's a waste of time.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... yeah, keep thinking you provided actual arguments instead of your own fantasy world...

Here's a hard fact for you though : Usyk is actually ranked 25 on BoxRec (HW ranking).

Rankings are never perfect, but it's still better than nothing.

 

Holyfield was a damn good fighter. Losing a few rounds to him isn't a negative. Sure he was past it when they fought, EH gives hell to any fighter. Your logic that since Lewis lost a few rounds to Holyfield, he loses to Usyk is a bit of a stretch. Lewis was a great HW. Not saying Usyk wouldn't win, his body of work at HW so far doesn't support that argument. I would love to see it though. Usyk is the truth.

 

Likewise someone arguing Lennox would win is speculation. But arguing who would win in fantasy fights is informed speculation.

I literally gave you reasons why Usyks win over AJ was better than numerous of Lennoxes "top" wins. I also referred to performances of both which would heavily suggest Usyk could do a number on Lennox. You can keep imaginng I've provided no argument but the reality is I've given you an informed opinion, with context and explanation, and you can't fathom a reasoned response because there isn't one.

This is your argument?

 

Pretty sure Manny said Lewis would beat Wlad because he had that dog in him to turn things ugly and dig deep when things weren't going his way?!

 

37 yo, significantly smaller in size, height and reach. And Holyfield has a good case for 5 rounds in the second fight. Holyfield didn't do anything following his defeat to Lennox. In fact he lost almost immediately against John Ruiz LOL and then lost a few more including against a former middleweight.

 

And i already explained to you that you can't extract reliable informations from only 2 HW pro fights.

So as i said, it's a waste of time : you can win everything with speculation, and that's why you think your arguments are relevant...

Also, most people thought Usyk would lose against Joshua, especially after he struggled with Chisora, yet he won.

That's why you don't really know until an actual fight happens.

Btw, i never said Lewis would win, i just said putting Usyk above Lewis is laughable...

And if we stick with hard facts, Usyk is ranked far behind Lewis in any HW ranking.

People usually do those fantasy matchups purely based on frustration : you want to see Usyk greater than he really is...

 

Prime Lewis would destroy this Lot.!!!

 

Let's do some boxing math :

Usyk beat Chisora by UD.

David Haye TKO Chisora (a younger one moreover).

Haye > Usyk.

 

I've explained my reasoning why Usyks win over AJ is better than many of Lennox's top wins go back and read. I'm debating whether Usyk would beat Lennox. And based on the information I've provided, he at least presents a very tricky match up. Would you not agree with me here?

You're appealing to rankings, I'm appealing to actual fights and performances. Hence whatever I'm arguing is more relevant.

Speculation. Many, including myself, predicted Usyk would win.

Hard facts? Rankings don't mean shite. Some of the rankings I've seen are absolutely pathetic. How about you take the time to watch Lennox's fights, and understand context around each of his fight

No I'm basing my observations of their fights and performances and concluding Usyk would beat Lennox if not at minmum present a very tricky challenge. You on the other hand are coming across as subtle Lennox ball guzzler.

 

At least try to be honest in your assessment. Usyk had 6 rounds against a nobody (in his first HW fight) in 2 years before fighting a tough much bigger Chisora. An older Chisora yes, but a more motivated, experienced and conditioned you coudl argue otherwise. Despite this Usyk Almost Tkod him. Haye was a known puncher. Not really a good comparison

You're also ignoring Usyks follow up performance against AJ's which is better than many of Lennox's wins.

 

Cannot argue your points. That being said, just because LL lost some rounds to EH doesn't mean he definitely loses to Usyk.

 

Good for you : https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/anthony-joshua-vs-oleksandr-usyk-odds-picks-predictions-proven-boxing-insider-reveals-best-bets-props/#:~:text=Joshua is a -270 favorite,expected is set at 10.5.

Also, about your reasons, i can find as most reasons as i want explaining the contrary.

Once again : there's no limit with speculation.

And i don't even need to use very subjective things such as how they looked in one specific fight : Lennox Lewis is a proven HW with close to 50 fights in the division.

Usyk only has 2 fights... he didn't prove anything yet...

Also, Ruiz beat Joshua by TKO, so he beats Usyk too ?

 

I was thinking along the same lines

 

Go on then give me reasons why you think Lennox would beat Usyk. People have opinions, and they back it up with information and context.

Again, it's informed speculation - Usyk had 2 fights at HW so what, an opinion cannot be informed based ob this? His second HW win against AJ - where I have listed my reasons previously that you can refer yourself back to - is better than many of Lennox's wins. And Lennox has a shown in several fights, not just Mercer, that Usyk would very likely give him fits

 

Ruiz totally destroyed Joshua and made him quit so he must give Lennox Lewis nightmares right ? No, Ruiz went life and death with shot Arreola right after. Ruiz lost to Parker. He would have little chance against someone like David Tua or Razor Ruddock let alone Lennox Lewis. But he beat Joshua so he MUST give Lewis a run for his money based on your logic. You severely overrate Joshua and speak of him like all time great.


You say Usyks win over Ruiz is better than ALL of Lewis's wins ? Well its not. Holyfield while past it was an ATG with a better resume than Anthony Joshua. Just a couple years prior to Lewis he destroyed Mike Tyson, another fighter who has a better resume than Anthony Joshua and would kill Joshua in the ring inside a few rounds


Stylistically yes Usyk would be a hard fight for Lewis. That i agree with but the resume doesn't even compare. The Joshua that fought Takam would definitely lose to Ray Mercer and possibly even Ruddock. Joshua would definitely lose to past it Holyfield in a competitive fight. Joshua would get outclassed by Vitali Klitschko. Joshua has a good chance at getting KO'd by Tua because Joshua sucks at recovering and if Tua lands he'd finish Joshua off. Joshua has a trash gas tank when he has to fight at a decent pace. Joshua isn't that good


Who's to say Lewis doesn't blow out Joshua like he did Grant and Golota ?

Last but not least Lewis is not Joshua. Lewis would've made the adjustments. Joshua cannot change his gameplan. Lewis would attack Usyk aggressively if he gets outboxed and work the body, jabs and right hands. He would take it to Usyk and fight him on the inside, a range Usyk isn't very good at. The rounds Joshua applied pressure and went to the body were the rounds he won against Usyk. Lewis would've done this the whole fight