SRL vs Pernel

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I'm sorry but Norris & Camacho are the perfect models for hypothesizing when Sugar Ray vs boxer types are mentioned

Both conquered Leonard so it is safe to say that Pernell would also come out on top

Why NOT bring them up?

I dont like the fact that Ray lost to them as I once thought Ray was superior to both. Boy was I wrong!

In the Norris match, as usual, Sugar did his best but Terry just had too much speed for him even as Pernell would be too tricky for ray to solve

Remember?

I asked you to give an analysis with a conclusion on how Leonard would topple him based on your analysis but all I got was "TOO MUCH SUGAR RAY!" and you couldnt produce

It's unfortunate that Ray dared to tempt fate again with another speedster, getting the same result.

How horrific it was to witness a smaller man with a 7 " reach disadvantage, ambushing Ray and then beating him senseless along the ropes

I will never again view Ray the way I once did. I thought he was invincible, except for that tactical slip we saw in the first Duran fight

I think the performance in the Bonds fight would have given up a fair heads up of what would happen had Leonard run into another speedster in future bouts.

If only there were more bouts in key matchups

I remember another poster who recently said that a special category should be made in order for him to be at the top of an ATG list, made just for him in a "forty bouts or under category"

and i agree with him. Ray needs a little more help than the others. Not ENOUGH Sugar Ray?

In the end, it WAS "not enough Sugar Ray" as Norris made Leonard look like a man in a gorilla sit trying to impersonate a boxer

Speed & intelligence. Ray never saw it coming

and to be fair sports, we must give the winners the credit for winning key contests instead of trying to play them down, and we must remember that Norris is undefeated in all his bouts vs Superstars

 

I feel your pain Pugnacious

I too wish it had been Leonard separating Terry from his senses but THAT honor alone goes to Jackson

Had it been Leonard ALONE, then we could add that tremendous achievement to his resume.

Great fighters SHOULD be able to pull it out against the up and coming

But what can be done against this kind of speed?

Ray EASILY dealt with arch enemy Roberto, but as Ray leonard's speed was to Roberto, Terry Norris' speed was to Ray Leonard's

We are basically looking at the same fight with the faster, smarter fighter winning in both events

 

It DOES make sense on calm analysis

The problem is the emotional chord that it strikes with Leonard fans

I'm with you in saying that Leonard is the greater fighter, the more COMPLETE fighter and a fighter with a higher level of class

However, when it comes to a HEAD TO HEAD Norris is going to come out on top because of his vast edge in speed.

Leonard was fast himself but until running into Norris, he'd never experienced a disadvantage of this sort. You could see that Leonard was perplexed at how to get to him

Norris was so fast and so mobile then when he finally came down off his toes, and stood flat footed, Ray would look to find an opening and as he posed, Terry PITCHED. He was just so much faster on the draw that even when given a stationary target, Terry always beat him to the punch and that's what great fighters do.

Terry beat him with his speed and further, he never tired. Terry could rock N roll all night! That night, Terry literally had NO WEAKNESSES

I personally wish that Leonard had retired after the Hagler fight. If only, if only, IF ONLY!!!

Up until then, we didnt really know whether Leonard could have been whipped (a match with upcoming Nunn would have answered THAT!)

Instead we are left with images from the Norris fight which tarnished his image for good and a knockout loss, both of which hurt his legacy

 

I see you WANT to get involved in this discussion but are perhaps a little timid to chime in?