Bivol is just a better boxer than Canelo. Size didn't play a part in the result

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  1. Charlie Stewart

    Charlie Stewart Most Merciful Full Member

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    I don’t care. As far as I’m concerned there are way too many weight classes in boxing and the system is a joke because it’s not even about what you weigh when fighting as previously intended but who can weight drain and rehydrate better. A system which Canelo has exploited even further creating his own weight classes and adding bull**** rehydration clauses for his opponents.

    It’s hilarious how everyone is copping pleas for Canelo, crying about Bivol being taller and weighing slightly more when Canelo has built his career off being a weight bully. And these are the same racist Hispanic clowns who got gassed off two robberies and spent the last few years dismissing Eastern European fighters as bums, claiming Canelo can beat Heavyweights and ****. Giving this guy p4p #1 for being fed Hearns stable of chinless no hopers.

    He was exposed for the limited puncher he is. Every time Canelo stepped up to the elite level he was exposed and lost. He’s a good fighter that got elevated to greatness because Mexican Americans are desperate for hero’s and representation which they don’t have a lot of in USA despite their huge population. The end.
     
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  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope I've already debunked this:
     
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  3. UndergroundBoxing

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    Canelo may be slightly sharper at 168 but Bivol will still be the much better boxer. It’ll be a closer fight but Bivol will still be too smart for him. The skill gap was clear
     
  4. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    175 fighters coming into the ring 190+ of course size played a factor just off the fact bivol used to getting hit by 200lb men. Ass along Canelo didn’t really look good in his only other fight at the weight it’s divisions for a reason
     
  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    If Josh Taylor fought Errol Spence and lost you can guarantee that the size argument would be hammered home by everybody who is claiming size to be a non-issue.
    Many people rate Taylor above Spence and while they are almost even in skill and size , Spence would win because he has an advantage in size.

    Both skill and size allowed Bivol to comfortably beat Canelo. Being a better boxer wouldn't prevent Spence getting a pasting from Carl Froch
     
  6. elbonzoseco

    elbonzoseco Member Full Member

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    Bivol rehydrates pretty much like a top SMW. Benavidez und Callum Smith put on quite a bit more weight. Bivol maybe(!) had 2 to 3 pounds on Canelo.
     
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  7. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bang on
     
  8. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Weight absolutely played a part in it. Clen couldn’t sustain with the extra weight because he’s not a natural light heavyweight, where as Bivol was totally in his comfort zone and it showed by how quickly Clen started gassing. He beat a faded or possibly even paid off Kobalev and should have lef his adventures into the division lay to rest with that one fight. It’s another example of a fighter and trainer believing the headlines and then biting off more then they could chew. All praise to Bivol for a beautiful performance.
     
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  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bivol is smaller than: Kovalev, Callum, Chavez jr, Plant and Fielding. The size definitely played a role in the loss however Canelo came up against (again) one of those guys that is simply one of his stylistic foils again. The skillset befuddled him.
     
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  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Canelo was rehydrating to 174lbs at 154lbs...at 168lbs who knows what he was rehydrating but you could safely assume the high 170lbs. Canelo in a recent interview claims he walks around at 180-2lbs and thathe'd likely rehydrate to 180 (I think he actually even said low end 178 lbs) . So fight night he's likelh only weighing 2-4lbs extra at 175lbs (if that) than what he weighed at 168. Canelo looked just as fast as he usually does on his feet and with his hands at 175lbs as he does at 168lbs. He looked strong at 175lbs. He gassed because someone was actually coming to win consuming nervous energy.

    Canelo is just not as good as you guys make him out to be.. His "fights" at 168lbs were all smoke and mirrors because not only were they suspect opposition but they didn't come to win (bar BJS) He looked like he had skill against GGG (despite getting 8-4d), but you've got to bear in mind he was the faster guy against a 36 year old... I'm sorry the guy is completed overrated and is no better a fighter than a guy like Lara (who also clearly beat him)
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jesus Christ. Its like you guys put fingers in your ears and blindfolds over your eyes when the facts have been laid out right in front of you.
     
  12. Cage

    Cage Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Canelo was outclassed but size certainty was a factor. Canelo landed some flush uppercuts that hardly even budged Bivol. Either Canelos power didnt move up with him, or, Bivol just too big to really be affected by Canelos power.

    Canelo should have took an easier fight and gave himself more time to grow into that weight class. Instead he was shooting for the moon and it backfired on him
     
  13. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rather than thinking binary whether Canelo or Loma were too small for Bivol or Lopez who ended up outboxing'em NOT outpunching with physical superiority, because in that sense no, Bivol wasn't too strong and his size didn't disadvantage Canelo who grew into the weight, looked comfy and even had the fight at his own preferred distance and still got dominated.

    I'd say much like Felix Sturm's naturally larger frame vs. Kitchen Boy didn't disadvantage himself, Bivol wasn't threatened by Canelo's physical presence and power at any time therefore could fight more brave and in that sense size mattered. But it was an advantage for Bivol's own peace of mind, not a disadvantage for the obviously big and strong Clenelo namsayin'?
     
  14. highlander

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    of course size and weight factored into the win. why then are their weight classes? seriously. do you think that, lets say, loma could honestly knock out bivol? or bivol knocking out tyson fury? a lighter, smaller fighter can out box an opponent and win. but when a welter accustomed to taking a fellow welter's punch, is hit with a full on from a light heavy, the welter will be hurt.
    canelo. while being a big middle, is accustomed to taking their punches. he met a light heavy in his prime and it showed.
     
  15. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Of course height, reach, weight are factors…is this a boxing forum? Wtf is going on around here?