Juan Manuel Marquez vs Timothy Bradley Jr.

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Who won?

  1. Bradley was the rightful winner

    30 vote(s)
    88.2%
  2. Marquez won the fight

    4 vote(s)
    11.8%
  1. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I love Marquez...he's my favourite fighter...but no way he won or was even close to winning this...but let's be fair it's not exactly like its peak Marquez...he'd been on the slide for years and had no business at welter in all honesty.
     
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  2. ILikeBoxingForRealz

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    I didn't think there was ANY controversy in this fight. One of, if not best performance by Tim. He fought Marquez nicely. 117-111 Bradley is how I saw it
     
  3. TexanBoxingEnthusiast

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    32:56 Bradley lands the first jab. Marquez and Bradley miss afterwards.
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    33:03 Bradley lands a clean hook.
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    33:09 Marquez tries to land a jab to the body but misses.
    33:14 Marquez lands a jab to the head.
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    33:17 Marquez lands another jab to the head. Bradley Swings but misses.
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    33:18 Marquez lands a body shot.
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    33:22 Marquez lands a clean head shot. Bradley throws a hook but misses.
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    33:33 Slow it down, Marquez blocks it with his gloves.
    33:36 Marquez tried to block it but Bradley still landed.
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    33:39 Marquez throws a jab to the upper torso while Bradley lands on the glove.
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    33:42 there was distance so Bradley was unable to land the second jab. Also missed with his hook.
    33:51 Marquez manages to block it with his high guard, and lands two left jabs to the head of Bradley, with a hook from his right arm.
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    33:59 Bradley lands two body shots.
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    34:03 Bradley's left jab lands.
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    34:04 Marquez's left jab lands.
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    34:07 Bradley Misses and Marquez lands on the arm which doesn't score.
    34:10 Bradley lands a jab to the head while Marquez lands a jab to the body.
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    34:14 Marquez weaves his head to avoid the jab. Bradley throws an uppercut which does not land. Then he throws a jab to the body which was deflected. Marquez left jabs land on the chin then the body. the staggered Bradley throws a jab but misses.
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    34:21 Bradley blocks a lazy jab.
    34:25 Neither lands, Bradley is shoved.
    34:31 Marquez throws a two jab combination, the first one lands and the second one is blocked by Bradley's high guard.
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    34:37 Bradley manages to land a body shot in the exchange.
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    34:40 Both land a clean shot with their jabs to the head.
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    34:45 Bradley lands a jab on the head.
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    34:48 Marquez three combination shoots, lands two of them to the head.
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    34:53 Marquez lands a body shot in the clinch. 1+
    35:00 Both landed a shot to the head. Bradley lands a body shot, Marquez lands an uppercut.
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    35:06 Bradley missed with his two jabs, Marquez failed to land with his uppercut, Both Marquez and Bradley land a hook to the head. But Bradley landed more cleanly and effectively.
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    35:11 Bradley's jab misses.
    35:13 Slow it down, Marquez ducks down. Bradley landing on the glove of the right hand of Marquez.
    35:16 Marquez parries the jab.
    35:17 Marquez blocks the next jab with his right glove.
    35:20 Bradley throws a lazy jab.
    35:21 Marquez lands with his left hook but Bradley uses his head movement to slip the second one.
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    35:26 Marquez missed with his jab. Neither one land during the exchange.
    35:34 Marquez blocks the first shot. Tries to counter but lands on Bradleys shoulder and lands a clean upper cut. Marquez avoids a hook and lands clean hook of his own to the head. Bradley is staggered and was not able to land a counter.
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    35:41 Marquez throws three jabs. First two failed, the third one lands cleanly and makes Bradley stagger. Bradley tried to land a uppercut but missed.
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    35:46 Bradley throws a jab which is blocked.
    35:48 Marquez lands a body shot. Bradley blocked the next shot and avoided the next one.
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    Bradley connected 12 shots Marquez connected 23 shots (1+?)

    Clear round 9 for Marquez

    I continue on Wednesday, take my scorecard with a grain of salt.

    So far for me it is:
    Round 1 Bradley 10-9
    Round 2 Bradley 10-9
    Round 3 Marquez 10-9
    Round 4 Bradley 10-9
    Round 5 Marquez 10-9
    Round 6 Marquez 10-9
    Round 7 Bradley 10-9
    Round 8 Marquez 10-9
    Round 9 Marquez 10-9

    86-85
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Here is my RBR scorecard from last year:

     
  5. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bradley pretty much outboxed JMM for the most part, although the KO on Pac helped a lot knowing the dangerous power JMM possesses. I had it either 9-3 or 8-4. JMM just couldn't be set and didn't know how to lead when Bradley was boxing on the outside. Bradley fought a smart fight.
     
  6. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Juan pushed it too far.
    With this fight.
    It was time to retire after the KO heard found the world of Plankiao.

    but the great fighters never retire gracefully,
    They have to be pushed out by the young lions.
     
  7. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone Full Member

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    Bradley handled Marquez with ease.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    JMM is one of my favourite fighters but he lost this one quite clearly IMO, JMM is amazing when fighters come towards him. But when he's forced to lead he can struggle at times, Bradley fought a smart tactical fight vs JMM. And JMM could never quite get going and was a step behind Bradley, to be fair to JMM he was getting on in age and above his best weightclass. I know he knocked out Manny Pacquiao, but for me and i know this sounds stupid. But i didn't think he looked as sharp or fast vs Pacquiao, he was losing and on the verge of getting stopped. until he pulled out that amazing counter right hand.

    But yeah Bradley's style would always pose a tricky style match up for the counter puncher JMM.
     
  9. TexanBoxingEnthusiast

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    Round 10
    37:03 Bradley's jabs don't land.
    39:09 Marquez blocks but is unable to land.
    37:17 Angle makes it hard to tell, Bradley lands a body shot.
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    37:24 Jab doesn't land for tim.
    37:26 lands a jab with his right to the head with his left landing as well, Marquez misses by landing on the shoulder.
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    37:41 Bradley jabs misses, Marquez slips belows it to attempt a counter hook and misses. Bradley lands a jab.
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    37:48 Bradley intercepts Marquez's jab.
    37:56 Slow it down, Marquez after blocking a jab, counters. Bradley fails to retaliate and Marquez lands another hit. After missed multiple shots bradley lands a body shot. While Marquez lands a uppercut.
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    38:00 Bradley lands a body shot and a hook to the head. Marquez tries to counter but is too staggered to do so as Bradley slips with his headmovement.
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    38:09 In the exchange neither landed if you slow down the video. Bradley jabs but there is too much distance.
    38:37 Beforehand both missed landing multiple shots. Slow and you see Bradley landing the jab. Marquez a jab to the body.
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    38:41 Bradley's jab grazes but doesn't land on Marquez, Marquez retaliates but Bradley blocks with his forearm.
    38:46 Slow down and you see Marquez blocking it on time. Marquez lands a body shot. Bradley retaliates by doing the same.
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    38:52 Bradley dodges the shot. While Bradley is ducking down it seems that Marquez lands head shot. But if you slow it down you can tell he did not connect.
    38:58 The jab of Bradley lands. While it seems that Marquez's jab landed it did not. Marquez misses with his next shots.
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    39:17 Bradley's jabs do not connect. After his third jab Marquez attempts to retaliate. Bradley uses his shoulder to block it.
    39:21 Bradley lands a shot to the head. Marquez counters with a shot to the head. Bradley lands a body shot.
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    39:30 Marquez lands a body shot.
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    39:35 Marquez lands a hook. Marquez tries to land a body punch but is interrupted by a head butt. 1+
    39:43 after missing several times, Marquez lands two hits to the head.
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    39:44 Marquez after missing several shots trips due to Bradley's ankle. Bradley's body hook does not land.

    Bradley connected 12 shots Marquez connect 8 shots

    Clear round for Bradley

    Round 10 Bradley
     
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  10. TexanBoxingEnthusiast

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    41:11 until here neither have landed in the exchange. Marquez tags Bradley with a jab. Bradley does the same.
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    41:16 Bradley's jab doesn't land and Marquez counters with a clean hook.
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    41:27 after the clinch Marquez lands a head shot.
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    41:35 Bradley lands a body shot while blocking Marquez hook to the head.
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    41:38 Bradley lands a hook to the head.
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    41:44 Bradley's jab does not land.
    41:50 Marquez seems to land a shot to the body. A hook to the body and an uppercut.
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    41:57 Bradley first jab is blocked by Marquez, he then proceeds to throw a combination which doesn't land. He then however proceeds to land two body shots.
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    42:02 Bradley avoids Marquez's jabs. Tries to land an uppercut which does not land. Marquez lands a body shot.
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    42:08 Both land a jab.
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    42:15 Bradley lands a jab to the head. Marquez retaliates with his left jab and misses his next punch as Bradley avoids it .
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    42:25 Bradley intercepts the body punch. He throws two hooks to the head which only the first lands.
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    42:30 After the clinch Marquez lands a jab to the head and misses with his next shots. Bradley lands a body shot.
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    42:38 Bradley lands a jab and backpedals avoiding Marquez.
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    42:40 I had to slow it down due to Bradley's hand speed, he lands once when throws the combination.
    42:46 Bradley's jab misses. Marquez throws two shots chasing him, only the second one lands. Bradley throws a hook but Marquez ducks in time.
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    42:55 It seems like Bradley's body hook misses but if you replay it or slow it down you see he lands.
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    43:00 Marquez lands a clean jab to the head. But misses his next shots as the second one does not score due landing to the arm.
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    43:05 Bradley lands a jab to the head and tries to use his head movement to dodge.
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    43:10 Bradley lands a jab to the head.
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    43:15 Bradley blocks the shot in time, parrying it.
    43:17 both throw combinations that do not land. Until Marquez jabs Bradley to the head.
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    43:23 Slow it down, Marquez lands an uppercut while bradley lands a body shot. Bradley blocks the next shot with his should and uses head movement.
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    43:33 Slow it down here. You see Bradley landing a hook.
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    43:38 Use playback and slow down the video. Marquez throws a combination. Marquez misses with his jab. Missed with his hook. Failed to jab Bradley to the head. Landed a body shot.
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    43:41 Marquez throws a hook and misses.
    43:44 Bradley blocks and makes Marquez miss his next shot. Marquez lands an uppercut to the chest instead of the head and then lands a hook to the head.
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    43:49 Bradley lands two shots, Marquez blocks the first one and lands the second one.
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    Bradley connected 16 shots
    Marquez connected 17 shots

    Razor close for Marquez

    Round 11 Marquez
     
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  11. TexanBoxingEnthusiast

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    45:05 Marquez lands a body jab after both throw combinations that missed.
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    45:25 Marquez lands a jab to the head. Bradley counters with a hook to the head.
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    45:36 Bradley lands a hook to the head and dodges.
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    45:56 Bradley's jab doesn't land and pounces close to land a body shot. Too close that it becomes a clinch. Marquez punches the back which does not score. Marquez lands a body shot. Bradley throws a combination of three which land and Marquez misses.
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    54:53 Marquez throws two jabs, the second one lands to the head. Bradley Misses.
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    45:59 Bradley Jabs the head of Marquez.
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    46:05 Bradley lands a hook to the head of Marquez.
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    46:08 Marquez throws jab to the head, Misses his next shots, the angle makes it difficult to see but it seem bradley uses the rope to dodge. Marquez throws a shot below which does not land.
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    46:11 Marquez lands a jab to the head.
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    46:33 Bradley throws a three combination shot to the head. they all land.
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    46:37 Marquez tries to land a jab to the body but there is too much distance, Bradley closes in and lands a jab to the head.
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    46:60 After Bradley misses with his jab, Marquez counters and succeeds. Both throw combinations which do not land.
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    46:46 Marquez lands a jab to the head.
    46:53 After Bradley misses with his jabs due to distance. Marquez blocks a shot.
    46:54 Bradley lands a jab to the head.
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    46:57 Marquez lands a jab to the head.
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    47:01 Marquez lands a looping hand to the head.
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    47:02 Marquez lands a hook to the head. Both block each other's jabs.
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    47:12 Bradley throws two hooks which do not land.
    47:18 Bradley lands a jab to the head.
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    47:22 Marquez lands a left jab to the head.
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    47:26 Bradley throws a combination of two both land.
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    47:27 Bradley uses his head movement.
    47:30 Marquez throws two jabs, neither land. He punches the arm which does not score points. Bradley misses with his combination.
    47:38 Marquez parries the shot with his glove.
    47:42 During the exchange after shots are thrown and missed, Marquez lands a body shot. Bradley seems slipping his punches afterwards. Bradley lands a jab to the upper body and misses.
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    47:43 Marquez lands a hook to the head. Bradley retaliates with a uppercut and a jab to the forehead. Marquez throws a two body combination which land. Bradley counters with a head shot which makes him stagger being worse of the exchange.
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    Bradley connected 19 shots
    Marquez connected 15 shots

    Clear Bradley round 12
     
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  12. TexanBoxingEnthusiast

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    My Scorecard:
    Round 1 Bradley 10-9
    Round 2 Bradley 10-9
    Round 3 Marquez 10-9
    Round 4 Bradley 10-9
    Round 5 Marquez 10-9
    Round 6 Marquez 10-9
    Round 7 Bradley 10-9
    Round 8 Marquez 10-9
    Round 9 Marquez 10-9
    Round 10 Bradley 10-9
    Round 11 Marquez 10-9
    Round 12 Bradley 10-9

    114-114

    ^Take in mind that this could be wrong, however. If Bradley won, it is not a robbery in my opinion. So for now I will not vote in the poll.

    Update, this doesn't affect the overall fight since each round is scored by the quantity of punches that only happened in that same round.

    CompuBox PunchStat total:
    Bradley 168
    Marquez 153

    My Score:
    Bradley 164
    Marquez 178
     
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  13. ecdrm15

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    An impressive win for Bradley, both were great fighters. Would have loved to see Bradley vs Khan in their prime. If you havent seen Bradley vs Provodnikov, its an all-time classic!
     
  14. divac

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    I had Marquez winning 7-5 in rounds.
    The fight imo can be scored within a window of 7-5 either way it was that close. So many of the rounds were razor close.

    Most fans dont have a clue how to score a fight. What alot of people focused on in Marquez-Bradley was on body language.
    Bradley was the more athletic and bouncier fighter. His poses in the ring were one of "I'm out slicking and outboxing you, so if you focused on that instead of what you should be focused on (which is the actual punches being landed) then it creates this illusion that Bradley is winning handily. Posing and smiling should not get you points.
    If you focused on the actual punches landed and the quality of them, they you see a totally different fight, a close fight that could be scored either way and yes Marquez' way if you actually value the quality of the punches.

    I thought Marquez landed the cleaner harder shots in more rounds than not which is why I had him winning 7-5.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 Liminal Space Autochthon Staff Member

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    Whie I couldn't disagree more with your score, I do admire your hard work and dedication. I've done blow by blow run downs just like this, for select controversial rounds in close fights, and I can attest, it's arduous work and a pain in the ass. So I hope people will give you credit just for the effort, even if they don't see eye to eye with your assessment.
     
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