Bonecrusher Smith vs George Foreman, Zaire, 1974

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, May 6, 2022.



Who wins?

  1. Foreman

    94.4%
  2. Smith

    5.6%
  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker Full Member

    24,296
    7,661
    Jul 15, 2008
    Who did Buddy Baer beat ? Your point is such gibberish .. Monte Masters knocked out most of his opponents so you must rate him high too ..
     
    Journeyman92, White Bomber and Pat M like this.
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,547
    9,458
    May 30, 2019
    Abe Simon, Lee Savold, Nathan Mann, Valentino Campolo and Tony Galento. It's not amazing resume, but he beat world level fighters and he actually knocked them out. Smith also has some solid wins against Bruno, Ribalta, Weaver and Tim but let's not act like his resume is anything amazing. Buddy also didn't lose one fourth of his fights at very least.
     
  3. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,547
    9,458
    May 30, 2019
    I have yet to see anyone explaining me what's "talented" in Smith. He had horrible reflex, poor punching technique, horrible defense and very basic boxing skills. Without any explaination, it seems that people are willing to take anyone who is bigger than Foreman over him... except pre-1960 fighters.
     
    Glass City Cobra likes this.
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,282
    16,007
    Jun 25, 2014
    Think more ... o_O

    Okay, the MATCHUP we're focusing on is GEORGE FOREMAN vs James Smith.

    George Foreman destroys James Smith faster than James Broad did, faster than Larry Holmes did, faster than Lionel Butler did, faster than Razor Ruddock did.

    George Foreman beats James Smith easier than Levi Billips, Adilson Rodrigues and Marvis Frazier did.

    George Foreman makes James Smith QUIT faster than Brian Nielsen and Joe Bugner made Smith quit.

    James Smith doesn't beat Young George Foreman or Old George Foreman.

    You know what STYLE beats James Smith? ALL of them.

    What style did Levi Billips, James Broad Marvis Frazier, Adilson Rodrigues or Brian Nielsen have in common? Their styles were all over the board. And, compared to prime Foreman, they all sucked. They still beat Smith.

    You make light of Foreman beating the undefeated World Champion Joe Frazier and ignore Smith losing to Marvis.

    Get your head out of ass.
     
    Glass City Cobra likes this.
  5. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

    1,432
    3,342
    Jun 20, 2017
    We aren't watching the same thing. Smith's punching against Witherspoon, and Weaver when he was aggressive was effective, mostly short, direct punches, elbows in, with good weight transfer. He didn't get wild, and punched in combinations. His balance is generally excellent and he kept his feet under him. The only exception I've seen in the videos is the second TW fight when JS had him hurt and missed a hook and slipped. He slipped because he threw it with a lot of torque and weight transfer, but missed by a fraction.

    We aren't going to sway each other. I would bet on JS vs. GF and feel confident in my pick. I think it would be a Witherspoon 2, Weaver type of fight.
     
    White Bomber likes this.
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,282
    16,007
    Jun 25, 2014
    You mean George is going to take a dive, like Tim says he did?

    Witherspoon posts on this board. Ask him.

    James Smith fought 60+ times. You guys talk about the same two or three fights (not the same two or three fighters, because Smith didn't look good in the second Weaver fight or the first Witherspoon fight) ... but the same two or three fights all the time ...

    Because the other 60 fights Smith had show he had no chance.

    Maybe you should watch more of those fights instead of watching the same two clips over and over.
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,282
    16,007
    Jun 25, 2014
    "Bonecrusher" Baer. Actually, much more fitting.
     
  8. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,188
    2,738
    Mar 31, 2021
    They fight completely different and Ruddock has better stamina
     
    Pat M likes this.
  9. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,188
    2,738
    Mar 31, 2021
    Smith was a better boxer than the clumsy Baer.
     
    Pat M likes this.
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,282
    16,007
    Jun 25, 2014
    Razor Ruddock quit in a fight with Dave Jaco because he said he couldn't breathe.

    How is that better stamina?

    I'll wait.
     
  11. Pat M

    Pat M Active Member Full Member

    1,432
    3,342
    Jun 20, 2017
    I've seen a lot of Smith's fights, I was replying to someone who said that Smith threw an arm punch hook when he was being aggressive. You need to read more posts before commenting.

    As for TW taking a dive, TW took a beating from Smith. Why would I ask him? I saw the video. Nobody would take a beating like that unless they were trying to win. If TW could take a dive and make it look that real, he is wasting his talent training boxers, he should be running a school for WWE wrestlers.
     
    White Bomber likes this.
  12. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,282
    16,007
    Jun 25, 2014
    Because you keep talking about how awesome a puncher Smith is and the example you keep using is one of his fights (not the one Smith lost) against a guy who posts here.

    Ask the guy who got hit. Witherspoon certainly didn't look unconcscious afterward. Nobody had to revive Witherspoon. He was pretty bright eyed. It was a three-knockdown stoppage. He wasn't unconscious.

    You think George would go down three times and tell everyone he QUIT afterward?

    George Foreman - who never quit in a fight in his life - is going to go down three times because James Smith is so powerful?
    :hang
    Sorry, but no ****ing way.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2022
  13. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

    4,927
    741
    Aug 17, 2015
    You are picking a very specific fight where he fought an unmotivated opponent that he hurt early on. Even then he missed so many of those punches and its interesting how you don't see poor form there. You are right, he did transfer his weight Here. (I was talking about the Bruno fight) A little too much though. To the point where he literally spinned 90 degrees when he missed. He looks so stiff and slow throwing every single Punch and moving his body back into position. Guy fights Like a statue.
     
    JohnThomas1 likes this.
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

    9,248
    15,284
    Jan 6, 2017
    Ruddock's stamina is not good. He gassed in multiple fights.
     
    70sFan865 likes this.
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

    9,248
    15,284
    Jan 6, 2017
    :lol:

    The guy lost 1/4 of his fights to practically every other name opponent in his era. Contrary to popular belief, he neither hits as hard as Foreman nor is his chin better. Smith was stopped 7x (2 by KO), was on the canvas 3x. He quit 3x. Foreman was KOd once after punching himself out against arguably the greatest HW of all time and was desperately trying to win. The only time Smith showed any heart and toughness at all was against a green Bruno landing a hail Mary punch to bail himself out.
     
    70sFan865 and Dubblechin like this.