Yeah, I just used 6' and 215 pounds, in reality at 5'10 and 220 pounds he's even more gigantic. It's a silly question because a 9 foot tall man with the athleticism and physique of Mike Tyson would literally kill Ali in one punch. Despite how we fans like to exaggerate, most elite HWs punch within 20% the amount of force of eachother, with some outliers sticking slightly outside of that. Tyson would be punching with enough force to make fighting a gorilla realistic, to say the least.
I have exactly and I mean exactly 137 questions for you before I can answer this but if I can get an answer, I will tell you directly which outcome I think it really is for certain. But if you answer those questions...I will be certain. And you will have an answer from me.
Well still cannot give an answer, however i now wish i had listened to the teachers when i was at school "Square-cube law, exponential not additive, assigned preconditions/allocated capacities..........." This forum sure is educational, oh well in my defence i shall utilise the words of Muhammad Ali after failing his Army intelligence test. "I said I was the greatest, not the smartest.”
I knew what you are saying, but it does not apply like this or make sense on a human scale. If it did, then the weight charts that correctly calculate your size at the same body fat % would be way different. Plus again people who are part way there, including athletes you must know who are 7'-7.5' tall would be way heavier. Even Shaq who was pretty heavily muscled weighed at most ~ 350 lbs. when he played in the NBA-& then he was not lean. At 400 lbs. in recent years he was outright fat. By the way Tyson at peak was likely 5'10.5" & was between 215-220 lbs. Or take Robert Wadlow, 8'11.1" & not skinny most he weighed was 400 something. Bodies do not work the same way as objects scaled up.
No, of course not - but it was YOU, who wanted us to consider a 9' Tyson, scaled up from the original Tyson - looking the same, with the same relative body dimentions. So why did you ask about such a scenario - if you knew from the beginning, that it made no sense?
Please read my reply to Bukkake. I describe how this law does not apply to humans, & you can test it by looking at people right between Tyson's height & 9'. Unless obese (like anyone), & even if quite muscular, they are not near halfway between the Tyson & the approaching a ton weight you presume. Also please see what I quoted from Wikipedia re: the squared-cubed law discussing the relative lack of strength of someone scaled up. Anyway we both know there are diminishing returns on strength & power when larger-20 lbs. for example means way more at light weights, may be meaningless for a HW... Lastly, here are some widely used formulas to compare how impressive lifts are This content is protected various weights. Because even if you exclude the SHW division-where folks allow a lot of fat because even that permits some extra lbs., even though less efficiently than muscle-strength is added at a LOWER rate than size-there is where you get distinctions similar to the scale of exponential vs. additive. So even allowing for outlier greatness in certain instances, you will never find say a 150 lb. world record that is the same proportion of weight moved to body weight as a 200 lb. world record. And the difference will be more dramatic if say you go half of the top weight category that is below SHW. Look it up, & here are the equations used for assigning awards or computing relative success between divisions: [url]https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=weightlifting+formula+for+comparing+lifts+between+divisions[/url]
First you seemed to think bodies do work that way, but whether in functional strength or body mass-the main question that you also have been contesting-they do not. I never suggested that a 9' Tyson would be the mass that a couple folks like you assigned. But I mentioned 9' for a couple reasons-in small part it would roughly account for his increased power. My hypothetical makes internal sense, although some other's presumptions about size & power were incorrect. Also just being that tall changes the game & punching angles. Including the challenge for a constant head hunter like Ali-especially combined with his varying (some double length) arms. In part it is a parody of threads that change the core abilities of ATGs so much it almost renders the identity of the original boxers meaningless. AND it is just fun to contemplate such surreal scenarios.
Where have I said, that bodies work that way? Didn't I specifically say (#21) that they of course don't? And what question about functional strength have I been contesting? I'm just considering what a fantsy 9' Tyson would weigh - if it was the original Tyson simply being scaled up (as you suggested in the OP). You may not like it, but such a fantasy man would weigh exactly what JunlongXiFan and I have been trying to tell you. It's very simple, and If you don't have the math knowledge to understand this, I don't know what to say! Please try to understand, that I do NOT think a 9', 800lbs Tyson could actually exist as a functional fighter. It's just a thought experiment, started by you... I don't know, how much clearer I can say it!
The issue with your opinion is that you don't have a basic scientific education. Strength only has to do with the force of a punch in that it effects acceleration of a punch. Force is a very simple thing to calculate. Mass times acceleration. If Tyson had nearly 4x his bodyweight, he'd have nearly 4x his punching power. In this case he has 3.67x his current mass, so even if he loses 10% of his speed due to size, he is still punching at over 3x his current punching power. Each punch would be like a strong man hitting you with an aluminum bat.
I want to go back to this for a minute or 2: "Ali (has) 5 arms on each side of his body, three on the left side & 2 on the right twice the length of his regular arms. And one that starts just below his belt." That arm that starts below Ali's belt. No length is given for that arm. Assuming it's normal arm length, then Ali has at his disposal the ultimate, Bob Fitzsmmons approved, vehicle to deliver perpetual solar plexus punches. And Mike can't even swat at it, because it originates BELOW THE BELT, or he risks losing points, and even a possible DQ. I'm doubling down on my claim of an Ali victory, and adding a possible win by DQ to my Ali Decision victory.
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Again when I said bodies do not work that way, it means that the law of sqaure & cubed sizes when scaling up a person does not apply. The functional strength is something else, I showed on the very Wikipedia page about this law how relative strength would be compromised-not that this was your point. But if you scaled up a person of Tyson's size they would not be ~ 800 lbs. I do not know which of us knows math better, except while your concept is easy to understand, since you are repeatedly not *addressing* my objection, I cannot tell if you comprehend what I am saying. I keep showing how guys say halfway between Tyson & 9', or a man almost exactly 9' tall, do not approach that weight. Without being severely-morbidly obese people that height, with an average, or Tysonesque muscular build, will be 100's of pounds less. Anyway the important point is the height & 1.5X his normal punching power I ascribed to him.
Very clever, I was wondering who might pick up on this matter! Since I did not specify, yes I meant it is like his real life arms. I had not considered the risk for fouling-but I think it is only illegal to hit where it originates. Since someone could say strike an arm down by a guy's size, the rule should be interpreted as something on the trunk of the body below the belt as being verboten. I think Tyson would be able to strike at it absent too much risk, question is like with the other arms, can he disable them. It is silly to think any person would be able to handle the capacities of a halfway decent robot. And Dempsey is wrong that nobody could handle a perfectly delivered solar plexus blow. According to him it could be a tiny feather fist against a massive man with rocks for abdominal walls lol! Oh I meant to ask you-where are you from? You said the average woman where you are weighs ~ 180 lbs.? Even how fat we are in America-& the estrogenic diet that especially fattens them up-I find numbers from ~ 166-171.
