Canelo Bivol rounds 1-4 - "close fight" comprehensively debunked debunked

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  1. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well that's exactly what you said there's no "not quite" about it pal. You said the judges were right and fair at 7-5.
    After you were sent to the Shadowrealm you came back with the judges were right on the first 4 rounds. Don't try and weasel and say that you "Could" score the first 4 because that's not what you said to me.
    You know this Shadow and I don't know why you attempt that with me becasue I catch you being a weasel EVERY single time.
    If you want me to go through all the posts and show the evolution of your narrative then I will.
    Yes the jab landed but your ignoring the fact that neither myself or Ellerbe consider it a scoring punch. So as I said from the very start and throughout you want to take it and spin it down a road of semantics.
    These are NOT scoring punches Shadow. you can try and spin and reframe as much as you like but I will still pull your nonsense to pieces.
    So I'll watch the first round in slow mo and score proper punches myself. This really is not the hill to die on Shadow as you are in a very weak position when it comes to reasoning.
     
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  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Again. I've documented evidence of you crediting essentially nothing work from Canelo. You crediting barely touching punches from Canelo and widely regarded non scoring punches that even your desperate appeal to Ellerbe regards as non scoring. And then you ignore all of Bivols taps that visibly move Canelo's head backwards more so than your said landed punches (note I did not score these) . You've been exposed as a liar and a dishonest Canelo nutrider. You again have not addressed my question and this is my nth time asking it? The question puts your whole debate on round 1 in turmoil.. And you can't even answer it.

    And there's not one jab I credit Bivol with that does not land. If you are referring to the jab at 0:46, you are about to get schooled again when I get my gifs out. Because it absolutely does. And the fact you regard this as a love tap yet credit Canelo got barely even touching Bivol is evidence of your biased infused hypocrisy

    Lmao not even shadows last stand appeal to Ellerbe can save him
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    @ellerbe when you read this post from exo, can't you sense the emotional energy coming out of this man? Why do these guys get so emotional about this? They're like a bunch of rabid hyenas trying to pounce on me. He's all over the place here and he gives off weird vibes. These guys should stop trying so hard to come at me and prove me wrong, we just need to go through more slo mo clips, and the energy needs to change in here.

    #DontBeAHyena
     
  4. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Stay on topic Shadow please. and yes it's understandable when dealing with someone as dishonest as yourself. You don't because that would require a conscience and self awareness qualities that you lack. I'm not emotional either just frustrated at your constent BS.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Reminder - you claimed that they didn't land. We may not agree on how well they landed or if they should be considered scoring shots, but that's different than saying something flat out didn't land which was your claim.
    I'm not ignoring anything, we can only go through one punch at a time. Also, take a chill pill bro, you and your boyfriend @exocet76 are high emotive, and it's very difficult to be objective when you are carrying around such emotional energy. Maybe get some fresh air, take a walk and come back when you're ready to be objective. There's no point in arguing with an angry emotional manchild like yourself when your panties are all up in a bunch like this. Pick out that wedgie and come back when you've cooled off.
    Can't wait to see you try.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's no reason for you to be frustrated or to come at me like you have. It's just film study. Take a deep breath, relax and act like a gentleman.
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe It’s a Tank world Full Member

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  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You would know if I came at you Shadow....What I've stated though is the complete truth about how you behave. as you do it every time and then try and deflect onto the other person. this is called chaff and redirect and you do it constantly. ..so I've been tame with you on this thread because it must be heart breaking for you. That said you do like to move the goal posts when it isn''t going your way. which let's be honest it isn't
    I should really dislike you as you've lied to me several times and tried twisting what somone has said you've done it several times in this thread.especially in the thread I won't mention........that ran for 60 pages... I can't remember the subject matter it might have been about the Earth being a square or a triangle or something. The point is I caught you several times with your panties around your ankles because you thought you were dealing with a clown who wouldn't fact check..
    So like I said I've gone gentle in here because your broken and your dreams have been shattered but anything I say can and will be always backed up with proof. which you will then ignore and then deflect onto something else. There's a lack of good faith Shadow....
     
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  9. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This thread is amazing. Somehow you all managed to argue about two jabs that either barely landed and were insignificant or they didn't land, while making @ellerbe the ref. And you all kept it up for roughly 10 pages.

    This should be ppv.
     
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  10. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is what it's all about
     
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  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You claim the jab I scored at 0:46 in round 1 as a love tap that was blocked. False on both accounts. I told you to look back at the Dazn broadcast angle and take into account that and the angle you showed me (which inadvertently has messed your claim up as I will discuss). I also told you to show the punch in slow motion as well as normal speed because its hard to gauge any impact. Yet you ignored it because selective cherrypicking of data.

    Now let's get started with your link you sent me... You sent me

    https://i.imgur.com/bOWdsW6.mp4

    Regarding this link and @ellerbe chime if you want. You claim it was blocked. Open the link up, press down on the video, download video, zoom in and around the 4 second mark you can see Bivols glove go past Canelo's glove and connect with Canelo's head (you'll have to pause around it). Again shadow I told you to post both angles and at normal speed which you didn't because you can't gauge the impact on the punch.

    Now we've addressed that Bivols glove goes past Canelo's glove and connects with his head. Now for the impact. I present one slow motion and one normal speed to help gauge impact (again something you ignore or just fail to understand). You have to watch these clips full screen BTW as it is difficult to see.

    https://imgur.com/gallery/hmHhA2N

    Normla speed ^

    https://imgur.com/gallery/Vhlcb9I

    Slow motion

    As we can see this punch from all angles is not a love tap, and actually quite clearly rocks Canelo's head back and Canelo seems to slap it just after it's impact. Regardless, you can see from shadows perspective that the Bivols glove goes past Canelo's glove and connects with his head. And from the DAZN broadcast perspective you can see that it rocks Canelo's head back.

    This is just another example of you Shadow discrediting Bivols work and crediting Canelo's work. Shadow you call several of Canelo's jabs landed.. Even though they barely if at all connect (at best one of them grazes). Then you discount Bivols as blocked and as love tap despite it clocking Canelo's head back and evidently landing.

    I cant believe I had to do all that. That was a lot of effort.. But someone needs to shut you up for good because your bias for Canelo is just outright dishonest.

    And yes you've been absolutely ignoring the question I posed to you below and you continue to ignore it because answering it messes up your case for round 1 being Canelo's. You'll avoid it again.
    This is just deflection. Yes it landed, but it was a scrape. And you're taking away from the bigger more relevant picture.. That it is in no way a scoring punch.. And Icannot see anyone in their right mind score it as such.
    Again yes you are I've addressed above.
     
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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I won't ban him but I might ask pastor Dmitry to perform an exorcism on him in order to rid him of the ginger demons that haunt his soul
     
  13. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Go easy on the wee fella, he's already waking up to nightmares of pastor Bivol in his sleep. That would explain why he's on here 16+ hours a day now.

    One of these days he's going to wake up and realise that cinnamon isn't quite what he was built up to be...

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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: I will ask pastor Dmitry to show him mercy, like he did to ginger in Baptism I.
     
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  15. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    You're a good man @Serge. That's all I can ask.
     
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