'Canelo had an off night'

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  1. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone Full Member

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    why does bellew feel the need to suck off the golden childs like canelo and joshua.

    a proper little hanger on.
     
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  2. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood When I'm drinking you leave me well alone Full Member

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    exactly.
    If you feel the need to listen a ex-pro world level boxer on boxing, make sure its an intelligent one.
     
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  3. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Canelo fans talking how much better he's gotten since Mayweather. I never bought that. Bivol proved that Canelo did not get that much better, if at all.
     
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  4. SergioJ91

    SergioJ91 Active Member Full Member

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    Bivol is a superior boxer to Canelo. This guy has been hit too many times in the head.
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes because GGG is a LHW lol. Canelo was slow because Canelo doesn't have the frame to carry 175+ against other LHWs and Bivols quickness made him look even slower than that. Bivol would also toy with GGG lets be real. Besides Canelo will fight GGG at 168, his speed isn't an issue at 168 nor would a ancient GGG be
    This doesn’t matter. Even if the competition at 168 is stale my point still stands, they can't beat Canelo. Nobody on the comeup at 168, like John Ryder, will beat Canelo. Perhaps Benavidez does but just like you brush off the others on Canelos record, who has Benavidez beaten ? I don't see Benavidez winning
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So because he lost to a undefeated elite quick LHW he didn't improve ? It's been nearly a decade and he didn't unprove ? Mayweather might always be far more skilled than Canelo and i don't disagree, but he's clearly a better fighter who has done hetter things.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  9. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never said GGG was a light Heavy....also I was saying that Canelo is not as quick at 168. only Plant was using movement. Smith was a punch bag and Saunders wasn't much better. I'm not saying GGG would be faster I'm just saying Canelo has lost speed and endurance moving up which is clearly visible.
    I never said Benavidez would beat Canelo I said he would give him a good fight. I notice you only give Ryder as a viable which is telling.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Bivol was a ''cherrypick''

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  11. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    get dominated by spence or crawford at 160. Skillz matter
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the fanboy talking and it's clear no matter how much sense i try to talk you'll do everything in your power to stay ignorant just like when you tried to ridicoulously claim Bivol would lay down and i proved you wrong.

    Murata would NOT beat Saunders. You don't know what you're looking at. Murata is a plodder who has success with GGG because GGG doesn't like fighters who walk him down and he's vulnerable to body shots. We saw the same thing with Derevyanchenko giving GGG nightmares with pressure and body blows. The only reason you rate Murata at all is because he was giving an old GGG problems, you are such a fanboy of GGG that anyone who gives him problems is good when thats not the case at all. All Murata has is chin and power. He is slow and can be outboxed, we saw that against a nobody like Bob Brant. And Murata has fought nobody of note except GGG. Put Murata in with a decent mover like Jacobs and you'd see Murata getting played with. Even an untested guy like Andrade would beat Murata just based off the fact that Andrade has the footspeed and slickness to trouble a slow plodder like Murata. If Saunders was able to win several rounds against Canelo he would undoubtedly toy with Murata. Anyone who isn't blinded by the bias can see this. Also Murata is what 36 ?
    He dominates. Nobody at 160 and 168 beats him even if they can put up a fight
    No answer the question, don't dodge it, because you're notion that they were cherrypicks in the context that Canelo was aiming for undisputed is just flat out wrong. Those guys held the titles at 168, and Canelo wanted to become undisputed at 168, so how were they cherrypicks. He fought ALL of them and achieved undisputed at 168, even if the competition was mediocre, they weren't cherrypicks.
    Billy still got TKO'd. It counts as a KO. He got busted up and the fight was stopped. He could absolutely do that to Charlo, he also KO'd Plant, it doesn't matter if Plant was exhausted, Canelo broke Plant down to make that happen and then he KO'd him. Billy is slightly smaller than Charlo and Plant is bigger than Charlo
    You claimed Charlo isn't a backfoot fighter and wouldn't avoid taking it to Canelo as one of the reasons Charlo would give Canelo problems along with Charlos size and speed, but Canelo already delt with Saunders and Andrade is just a carbon copy of him. Saunders and Plant even with a bone dry resume at 168 have more credibility that Andrade. And Andrade is nothing special based on the eye test.
    Canelo would KO Derevyanchenko or drop him early and convincingly beat him 9-3
    Who didn't say 168 was a weak division ? But even they have more credibility than Andrade, and if Andrade loses, i hope you keep this same energy and give Canelo credit
    Make a poll
     
  13. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Zero point in discussion with you because you're avoiding every question and line of logic/point I ask and point out.

    Whatever you say
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG is slower and old. Canelo hasn't declined, he just fought arguably the best LHW and Canelo was clearly not made for LHW, we saw that in the Kovalev fight where he was plodding forward and had slow hands, but because Kovalev was shot, Canelo could capitalize. That fight was one of the reasons i knew Bivol would beat him. You will see him easily outspeed GGG when they fight, he will otuland him at least 8 rounds out of 10 and he will and bust him up. Benavidez is a good fight, but he'd get broken down. His size and speed will only get him so far. He isn't like Bivol. The fact is if Canelo beats Benavidez, they same thing they said about Plant and Saunders would apply to Benavidez. They'd write him off and claim Benavidez fought nobody.

    Even if these guys give Canelo a good fight i don't see them winning or having an argument on the cards. People have been talking trash non stop about Canelo after Bivol beat him, they've been waiting for this moment, but i knew Bivol would win, and im still certain Canelo beats all the big names at 160 and 168 unless a new highly talented fighter appears out of nowhere.
     
  15. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well we don't know neither of us until it happens. until it does it's just an opinion.