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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    It would probably take a middle of the pack lineal heavyweight champion to do it

    You would have to be at that level, to have that sort of consistency.
     
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  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    I've only mentioned 5 after Lewis, and as I said probably forgot a few good uns before him, none the less, there are a Few Good Brits who would sit with 'most' Contenders...
     
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  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you stop with ‘before Lewis’ it changes the dynamic because Mason, who was hardly a world-beater (not that he was bad) and Bugner are the only two with really any size in the ‘modern heavyweight sense.’ Joe was tall and a tricky boxer who could present some matchup problems to some people and Mason was a big, strong slugger so that gives me pause in choosing some smaller middle-of-the-road guys.

    Add in Fury and AJ and Lennox and you’re talking about three very large, very athletic and very powerful guys who present all sorts of matchup problems. Same with Bruno who, while a bit stiff, was also stronger than an ox and had a helluva jab when he choose to use it, along with some pop.

    So drawing the line before Lewis to me opens the door for some guys who never held world titles or who weren’t considered great champions (like some belt holders who weren’t considered the true champs of their time).
     
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  4. NoNeck

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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chuvalo fought one British heavyweight champion (Joe Erskine) and George lost.

    I agree, Gary Mason and Joe Bugner would be tough outs for anyone for entirely different reasons.

    You'd have to be a a world-class heavyweight to beat all of them, honestly.
     
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  6. Renaldo's Last Stand

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    I would probably go with Gerald Nobles or Ashanti Jordan
     
  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Um, No. ;)
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually Frank Bruno is an interesting choice to pull this off now that I think of it. I’d favor him to beat the lot although, as noted, beating 36 guys in two-month increments over 6 years without a break as stipulated is too much of an ask for anyone considering the likelihood of cuts or injuries to spoil the timetable.
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t know of a heavyweight, including Ali, who fought every 60 days for 6 years straight.

    It’s nothing to do with the UK opposition here, which is a mixed bag … it’s the idea of keeping it up for six years on end without a break and avoiding injuries and cuts.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First, I do think heavyweight makes a difference.

    Second, did he hit 60 days on the nose each time? Obviously not since one of those years he only fought three times.

    This isn’t an average. This is on a schedule like train stops as the OP lays it out. Basically it’s fight, take 2 weeks off (maybe 3 in a few cases) and then go into camp for the next one. That’s a heavy toll without a break for six long years.

    I’m not saying it’s impossible but it’s unlikely and even an Ali or Louis (or Lewis or Holmes, etc.) would have to not only be good but also be lucky — crack a rib in sparring and you can’t keep the schedule; get a nasty cut that doesn’t have enough time to heal and it gets busted open in the next fight (and the next and the next).

    It has zero to do with the ‘murderers row’ of UK champs. You could pick a similar lot of U.S. fighters or Euros or randomly pick guys from different countries and it’s still unlikely because one injury and that’s it — not to mention that you’re facing the bigger, more modern and more challenging guys on the back end when you’re probably worn out.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    Well I have a suggestion to tinker with the rules. Let our chosen one space them out as he chooses as long as he had to beat all 36 in six years. If he wants to pick the least of the lot (sure to include a lot of the earlier guys) who he might could easily dispose of and fight, say, six of them in four weeks, then take the other 11 months of that year to space out as he chooses over the next fight … now we’re getting closer to a fair test.

    And by all means, let him choose the order. Fight Mason and Bugner earlier in order so you don’t have the larger guys waiting at the end of a weary journey.

    How we’re cooking with Crisco.
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haha. I think guys I’ve mentioned here already:

    Frank Bruno

    Carl Williams

    Earnie Shavers

    Of these I’d venture Williams is ‘the worst.’

    But I’d give Kallie Knoetze a shot and rate him below Williams.
     
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  13. djanders

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    Since I seem to be having one my rare nights trying to get a good sleep, I'm going to try to answer this:

    For this super human task, I want a Heavyweight who can intimidate many of them and dispose of a good portion of them, quickly, thus decreasing the likelihood that he will sustain damage, himself. Less actual rounds in the ring equals more ability to fight often, in some cases more often than every 2 months. These shorties will make up for that occasional pain in the "you know what," who will extend my "Conqueror of the British" Hero into later rounds by some means or another, thereby causing a longer layoff than 2 months. I'm thinking that the guy made to order for this revolutionary task is a young Mike Tyson, and I'm going with Iron Mike.
     
  14. FastLeft

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    I do not believe Bruno would win v a younger Bugner. imagine 25 year old each of them. Bugner wins.

    actually Bruno would lose to a few I believe. Farr give Joe Louis hard fight & beat Max Baer. not losing to robot stiff Bruno if they are best shape each.
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I answered assuming they'd be aiming for fighting at that in average, varying the breaks depending on how hard the fights are, and their injury status, but to some extent fighting through injuries. Like the old school guys on a hectic schedule did.

    I do agree sticking to that schedule perfectly against a line up of opponents they have no control over would be brutal.
     
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