True or False: Floyd never defeated fighters as great as Crawford, Stevenson, Davis, Ennis, orSpence

That`s because Canelo is bigger, better and stronger than he was v Floyd.

 

No, DLH had slipped dramatically in the ratings.

 

Depends on which year, but I do not rate Froch in the same league as Calzaghe and Hatton was better than Froch too.

 

I understand that.

I’m just noting that ratings are subjective and also dependent upon the strength of the era.

It’s like this:

You have 2 WW’s.

One might be rated at no.2 in one decade, with one rated at no.9 in another decade. But that doesn’t automatically mean that the one rated at no.2 was better. The one rated at no.9 may have been considerably better.

Oscar wasn’t rated that highly in 2007, but he was still a good fighter. He was past his best, but still good. I have that down as one of Floyd’s best wins, especially as Oscar was very skilled, and it was one of the only times that Floyd was completely outsized in weight, height and reach.

 

I know, but it just goes to show you what I’m talking about.

In 2013, Froch was a top 10 P4P fighter.

In the mid 90’s, he’d wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near a top 10 P4P list.

 

2013 was a weak year.

 

Apart from Manny, it’s not Floyd’s fault that they weren’t in their prime.

It wasn’t a very weak era of fighters.

I’m a fan of Crawford’s and a big fan of Spence, but like others have said, as great as they look on the eye test, they haven’t really beaten many top level guys themselves. So both of them are still somewhat unproven.

Also, Floyd was past his best himself for some of those fights.

We don’t know what Crawford and Spence will look like at 36/37.

It’s difficult sometimes to compare eras.

 

Exactly.

That’s my point.

If that was the mid 90’s, Froch wouldn’t have gotten a look in.

So there’s no point in saying that one guy was rated higher than another guy in a different era.

The only thing to do is look at their abilities and their resumes.

Like I said a no.9 rated WW from one era, may have been a better fighter than a much higher rated WW from another era.

You can’t just compare numbers.

 

Ring magazine P4P rankings had JMM and PacMan 2nd when Floyd beat them.

 

I don’t agree with what the guy’s said, but it’s not as straightforward as you’re making out either.

Manny fought in many divisions, sometimes above his peak weight and his prime.

He’s had nearly 70 fights.

Crawford hasn’t fought 40 times and Spence hasn’t fought 30 times yet.

Let’s see if Spence does anything at JMW or even MW. And that’s relevant, because you’ve mentioned Shane losing to a guy like Forrestin his 2nd or 3rd weight class.

They’ve also not encountered as many styles or fought the same level of competition.

I’m a critic of Floyd’s, but he did beat some very good fighters.

Shakur and Ennis have done nothing to be compared to Ray and Roy.

It’s just the latest hype train.

What you’re doing isn’t really fare.

You’re comparing current fighters who are only half way through their careers, with guys who had 20 year careers, across many different weights, who are now retired.

 

You are high as **** if you think Vernon Forrest is another Kell Brook. Forrest was a million times better. And Oscar didn't lose to Ike Quartey, besides Quartey is better than anyone from this era. Yes, I think Quartey would beat both Spence and Crawford. Hell, the underrated Jose Luis Lopez I would take over both Crawford and Spence and you've probably don't even know who he is.

 

Yes, it is. Because you have to take a lot of things into account and be objective.

I love Spence. I’m desperate for the Crawford fight. I think he’s the real deal. But he’s only had 28 fights in one division, against non great fighters.

So how can you compare that with Manny losing to top level guys in his 4th or 5th weight class, after 40-50 fights?

It’s not a fare comparison is it.

How do we know what Spence’ record would look like if we gave him another 30-40 fights, where he fights in another 2-3 divisions into his late 30’s?

Again, you’d have to be a fool to compare Ennis to those guys at THIS stage.

You’ve no idea who we’ll see in the coming decades.

Again, we still don’t know exactly how good Crawford and Spence are.

They were some very good fighters in Floyd’s era. He had a 20 year career.

How old would Floyd have been had he have fought Thurman?

No, Floyd didn’t duck all of those guys.

Make no mistake, Floyd was one of the greatest of all time. It’s just that he was a safety first businessman in the latter stages of his career. Again, let’s see what Spence and Crawford do in the future. Spence could fight at JMW and even MW if he really wanted to. But we don’t know what he’ll do.