Will there be a 160 pound man in the next 3 decades who could beat Ali head to head?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Question for the forum's seers.

    In the next 30 years, will we see a fighter who enters the ring around 160 pounds, who could bear a prime Ali head to head?

    If so why? If not, why not?
     
  2. Barrf

    Barrf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who ENTERS the ring at 160? So, a welterweight, given day-before weigh in?

    Yeah, not happening.
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Yes, basically a modern welterweight. Hagler- or Robinson-sized.
     
  4. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Only if the man is a replicant.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    I mean Billy Conn was 167lbs supposedly against Louis and he'd box Ali's ears off. Ezzard Charles could make 160lbs today. But If you mean a modern Welterweight an actual 160lber I don't know.
     
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  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I sincerely doubt if anyone entering the ring at 160 pounds could beat Muhammad Ali, unless we're talking about the Ali, who fought Holmes. In that case, yes, there may be several.
     
  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. I'll go one better, their want be a 160 pounder that could beat Monzon or Hagler .
    The skill level today isn't close to what it was in boxing during their era. I'd hate to think what it's going to look like years from now.
    Maybe 160 pound mixed martial arts fighter beats Ali. But a boxer. No.
     
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  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Billy Conn says hello.
     
  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    Maybe a 160lbs MMA fighter? I’m betting the house on the one who can grapple. No doubt save a freak occurrence or luck they’d crush Muhammad.
     
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  10. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    I would say a definite no. There’s been no promise or hint of it being possible to date. Perhaps the burden of proof resides more with the YES answer.

    The Conn theory is often proffered - but he didn’t actually beat Louis and he was dusted off more easily the 2nd time around - though he wasn’t quite the fighter he was in the first match.

    Ali is a different kettle of fish as compared to Louis. Louis’ end game was the KO - and he achieved that. Ali would be too fast and mobile for Conn. Also, Ali isn’t going to blink or be set back by anything Conn manages to land.

    I’d be more interested in how it could be reasoned that anyone going in at about 160 lbs could beat prime Ali - and how 30 years into the future would make that more possible.

    Even if one believes skill sets are more advanced (I don’t), there’s the skill plateau - what advancements in technique could we imagine being possible going forward?

    I think boxing has hit the skill plateau previously and has, in fact, undergone periods of regression at times.

    This, of course, leaves out the forecasting of newer and “better” PEDs or the like.
     
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  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    And medical technology generally. Plus better ways of ingraining skills into fighters. If anybody around 160 can eventually beat Ali, it would be from technological advances in training, not advances in boxing technique, IMO.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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  13. McGrain

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    Billy Conn devised the perfect plan to defeat Joe Louis and got brutally KTFO twice.

    Ezzard Charles got his clock cleaned by Jersey Joe.

    Muhammad Ali would butcher both of these guys. He would destroy them. He would really, really hurt both of them.

    No, there will never be a 160lb man capable of defeating Muhammad Ali at a great frequency than that with which he would seriously injure himself. Muhammad Ali was 215 and 6'3 and his peak performances were as good as possible for a man weighing in. He will neve be overhauled, only equalled at and around this poundage, and if he is overhauled, nobody on this forum will have the eye to tell. Because there is only so far you can go.

    Ceding 55lbs to such a man and winning is not possile.

    Unless you mean "chose your Ali" then you might manage to get him fresh out of the Olympics or Holmes with a guy like Langford or Charles.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    It would never happen in a million years. A 160 pound boxer could take every single PED known to man with a 6 month training camp, a crooked ref, and Eddie Futch in his corner and Ali would still beat his ass. You could take Ali of the Wepner fight and he beats any man who enters the ring weighing 160 lbs, let alone prime Ali. There's a colossal difference in mass, Ali was way too tough to be stopped by pea shooter welterweight punches, and would be too hard to hit with his combination of height, footwork, and head movement. It would resemble an older teenage boy toying with his 6 year old brother.

    I could see a skilled welter getting the best of Ali in a 4 round sparring session at 7 AM the morning after Ali chowed down at a buffet, slept with his wife, and hasn't trained in months.
     
  15. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually, no is the best answer, as far as we know now. Who really knows what the far future may bring? Maybe androids will reach the point where they will be included in the term "man." In that case, all bets are off.