Send in your ATG to outbox and/or beat Ezzard Charles at LHW

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  1. George Crowcroft

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    Neither would have any real chance against Charles or Walcott.
     
  2. KuRuPT

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    RJJ for my money is the only one with an ok chance to take a decision (outbox). Other could have a punchers chance.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

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    ehhh idk man

    The motivated walcott of Charles III and Marciano I fight I would say you’re right . However the walcott who sometimes didn’t show up like Vs Layne, both guys had a good chance. Baker and Henry were better than Layne. Layne would have walked right into Henry and gotten flattened by a much faster deadlier puncher. Baker did beat Layne 3x.

    henry could whack with his left hook and was a fantastic finisher, walcott would have to be on alert.
    Baker was 6’2 215lb and displayed athleticism and skills for a big man he was a great combination puncher and difficult to outpoint because of his size, fast hands and skills. Baker had a shaky chin which walcott could exploit but he could outpoint jersey Joe if walcott didn’t bring it

    Charles defended his title mostly against old light heavyweights (Lesnevich, Maxim) and ham n eggers (beshore Valentino oma barone) mixed in with fantastic wins over Joe Louis and Walcott.

    If Charles fights baker like he did 6’2 218lb Joe Louis, Charles outpoints him or stops him late. If baker catches Charles on an off night or as he started to slip (Valdes fight whom baker beat twice easily)..baker would be dangerous. Charles could not stand in front of baker he would have to move in and out in this one

    henry could easily put Charles on the floor with one of his big left hooks and spell huge trouble for him, but Charles was tough and would get up and outbox Henry. Henry was always dangerous in his prime, Ezzard would really have to let his hands go in this one earn Henry’s respect and wear him down. The prime Charles of 49 who fought Valentino would be way too slick for Henry but by 51-52 he was slowing down slightly and a bit more vulnerable for a young popper like Henry. I would still make Charles a strong favorite in 51-52
     
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  4. ETM

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  5. lufcrazy

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    I don't think I would, tbh. From 46 to 52 he beat everyone he faced. Losing only to 3 HW fighters who he had beaten. He faced the best of the LHW division during this time and never lost.

    From 1953 onwards, anyone out there has a chance of beating him.
     
  6. SuzieQ49

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    why is your cut off 53? He lost to Layne in 52 but obliterated him in 53. His best KO on film happened in 54 vs satterfield. Gave Marciano an all time 15 round war in 54. I had him winning on my scorecard vs Harold Johnson in 53. So one bad loss to Nino on an off night. I think he was still great all the way through 54 then he dropped off a cliff in 55

    I think prime/ peak 46-49 when he had his most speed/reflexes and in his best weight class
    50 kind of a bridge year
    I think 51-54 he was pretty much same fighter declining but dangerous
    55 fell off a cliff. Speed and reflexes gone
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    It's not my cut off, it's his career.

    He beat everyone he faced from 46 to 52. From 53 onwards he was inconsistent. With his results.
     
  8. Liston73

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    Are possibles imo.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

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    Not true you’re wrong

    he lost to Layne in 52 but beat him in 53 cafe to explain that?

    he was still very good in 53-54. He went 11-2.

    defeated 4 ring magazine top 10. Fantastic 15 round performance in title fight. Controversial close loss to hall of Famer Harold Johnson

    55 onward yes his career became inconsistent
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    I'm not wrong, I'm literally quoting stats.

    I don't need to explain anything, I said he was inconsistent.

    I've just remembered you're a Marciano fan, I get it now.

    As I said, 46 to 52 I don't favour any LHW against him. After that he is more inconsistent.
     
  11. Frankus

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    Spinks. I really rate him at LHW. It is probably in my top 3 fantasy fights ever.
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    So you’re giving up by calling me a “bias” Marciano fan rather than refuting my points

    Im actually very fair in my ranking of Marciano and I know charles was past his prime when Marciano beat him

    however you’re timeline is off, and you’re not backing it up with solid evidence. In 52 he lost to Layne in 53 he beat Layne, which completely contradicts you’re theory he lost something signifigantly from 52 to 53.

    Film shows he’s pretty much exact same fighter from 52-54 and I can breakdown film and show you key points on speed and reflexes

    charles 46-50 now you can see a speed reflexes increase in this version compared to 52. I can break down and show you key points If you like

    My opinion is there was hardly any difference in 53-54 compared to 52. 55 onward is where he dropped off.

    I don’t think any light heavyweight beats Charles from 1946–1954
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    quoting stats

    he lost to a fighter in 52 he beat in 53
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    He has a case for greatest of all time very underrated
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    I refuted your points. From 46 to 52 he beat everyone he faced.

    After that he lost at least once a year, to increasingly worse opposition.

    Had he faced Valdes and Johnson in his prime I think he beats them both. Rocky he always loses to imo.