Beterbiev v all of Larry Holmes opponents how would he have fared?

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Green and in shape v. Experienced and soft
     
  2. Pat M

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    For people who don't have confidence yet in their defensive ability, the headgear could be a good thing. If you squeeze your eyes shut when your opponent punches or bend over at the waist and curl up after getting hit, the headgear might offer some protection and might even reduce the impact a bit. A headgear with cheek protectors does offer some protection against cuts and abrasions to the face and if the padding is thick it can offer some protection to the nose also. We make at least one fighter wear a headgear when sparring because of the danger of accidental head butts, particularly when an orthodox fighter is sparring a southpaw.

    For people who have been in the gym, have confidence in their defense, and keep their eyes open, the head gear reduces the field of vision and makes the head a bigger target. The headgear may have a small effect on the impact of a punch, but having a better field of vision and a smaller target may keep you from taking the punch at all. But even with good fighters, the headgear does offer some protection against cuts and abrasions.

    I have no idea if you have been in a gym, but like most people who haven't been to a gym or boxed, you have the idea that a headgear makes it safe/easy to spar and that the headgear takes the power off of punches. It might reduce the power a little, but the brain still moves inside the skull when the punch lands.
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

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    Of course head gear protects against cuts. I never denied that.

    You claimed that's the only benefit and now you're saying it can reduce the power a little. I wasn't saying it completely removes the harm from punches either, but it does reduce the impact especially if you roll with the punches. There's a good 1-2 inches between you and the punch. If I have a shield and someone strikes my shield with an ax, it would obviously still hurt due to the impact, but it would do significantly less damage than if they hit my exposed arm with an ax. That's basic physics and the whole reason we have things like air bags and bullet proof vests.

    When you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't ramble on and on. You said in another thread if you were James Smith's coach you'd have him completely abandon his defense and just slug away with George Foreman. If you're actually a coach you're obviously not a very smart one.
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    Bicycle helmets provide no protection against concussions and arguably increase the risk due to increased potential to hit your head. This has made it into research papers.

    I don’t think the studies have been done for headgear, but the same concepts seem to hold true.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

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    Have you ever fought or sparred before, yes or no?

    We're not talking about concussions, we're talking about how painful the impact of a punch is.
     
  6. NoNeck

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    I fought without headgear and didn’t complain about pain bc I’m not a *****.

    And the arguments questioning headgear are based on concussions bc that’s what matters.
     
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  7. Pat M

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    I'm not going to get into a discussion with you about boxing. I suppose I should be flattered that you read my posts, but unfortunately I don't read your posts other than when I get an alert that you have replied to something I have written. I find most of what you write to be boring and uninformative, (mostly cliches, platitudes, and childish insults). If you're looking for a discussion, you'll need to find somebody who is interested in what you're writing.
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

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    No, that makes you an idiot for fighting without headgear but I already knew that.

    No, we were discussing whether or not head gear can reduce damage from punches. you can be in a fight and not feel any pain at all without suffering a knockdown or knockout, and still end up with a concussion.
     
  9. Glass City Cobra

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    Because you can't get into a discussion with me about boxing. You're a fraud and you back peddled saying head gear doesn't reduce damage and then admitted that it can. You have yet to provide a sliver of evidence you're even a real trainer and many of your posts are pompous boastings about your training ability, yet often your takes are incredibly bizarre to anyone whose boxed or taught people how to fight.

    People who have actual boxing knowledge or have boxed themselves have given me props for my posts, so someone like you being critical is validation if anything.
     
  10. mr. magoo

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    Yes in a match he had no intention of showing up to win
     
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  11. greynotsoold

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    In my opinion headgear, in many ways, makes things worse. Too many guys think that headgear makes them impervious to damage and they don't pay attention to where they put their head, or to what is getting thrown at their head. I've seen many guys that basically had to learn to fight all over again when they had to compete without it.
    I have been doing the same thing, only one guy wearing headgear.
     
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  12. Pat M

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    It has been my experience that nobody wants to wear the headgear, (mostly because they can't see out of it) and the one wearing it want to change after every round and make the other guy wear it. I wish there was another way to protect against head butts and cuts. I'm convinced that good fighters get hit much less without the headgear, but unfortunately, if the heads come together one or both will get a cut.
     
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  13. greynotsoold

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    It is hard to teach someone where to put their head and how to use it when fighting inside with both guys wearing headgear. That was why I started having just one guy wear it.
     
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  14. NoNeck

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    If you’re gullible.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    He threw that fight
     
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