AJ: I thought I was winning the first fight and I deliberately let Usyk beat me up in the last round

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  1. FastLeft

    FastLeft Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ is saying Robert
    McCracken was bad. made him think he was winning

    & this is correct
     
  2. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    100%

    he needs it.

    Maybe that's why he said that he will be different than last time. Maybe more agressive
     
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  3. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    They wont rob a Ukranian though will they...

    If he's robbed, have faith the fans will know.

    They didn't rob Usyk the first time, why would they do it this time now he's in Saudi?

    They didn't rob Usyk in the UK, they wont rob him in neutral territory during a war that his country is considered the good guys in.
     
  4. Col Mortimer

    Col Mortimer The question isn't indiscreet.The answer could be Full Member

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    The only part of that AJ quote for me that is anywhere near non delusional is this.

    “So, I was jabbing and jabbing. It was hard to accept afterwards. Now when I watch it back, I think he won by three rounds, that’s probably from the ninth round onwards.”

    The rest is guff.

    Although personally I thought AJ boxed well overall considering it was the wrong tactics with Usyk who is the textbook master boxer.

    I'd even go as far as to say that I think that's maybe the best 'sweet science' I've ever seen AJ box, although It just wasn't good enough and never was going to be to out box Usyk.

    I also gave AJ the thumbs up for his gas tank up to around the 11th round too. It was a fast paced fight with lots of movement. I felt his gas tank had actually improved some.

    So, for the wrong tactical fight on AJ's part I think AJ did ok untill the last round. That's where it all caught up with him and he started to unravel to the point of almost getting stopped. The inevitable would have happened had Usyk had another 10-15 seconds.

    As with everyone else here,I'm looking forward to the re-match big time.


     
  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    If someone's never boxed before than maybe it's hard to understand its not always easy to tell you're losing during the fight. Many fighters have to rewatch a fight in order to gain proper perspective on the fight and their performance.

    That being said... I still don't buy this from AJ.
     
  6. djfonti

    djfonti Active Member Full Member

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    The scorecards were 7-5, 8-4 and 8-4. There's at least six rounds robbed there.
     
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  7. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who are they ? Saudis ? or someone else ?

    They will rob anyone they want. It's all in AJ's hands. If he will look better than in the first fight, he wins.

    I don't have horse in this race, after Usyks betrayal.
     
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  8. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    People said they'd rob Usyk in the first fight and they didn't. There's no reason to believe they will now.

    If Usyk was able to beat AJ on points in AJ's home country then you can stop the paranoia about Usyk being robbed.

    Apart from 1 scorecard 115-113, Usyk vs AJ was fairly scored with Usyk winning 116-112/117-112.

    I'd understand being worried about this before the first fight, but there's no reason to worry now.
     
  9. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    The 7-5 was a BS scorecard, but one was scored 117-112, and the other 116-112. (8-4 and 9-4)

    I personally had it 9-3 Usyk, but 8-4 is close enough, and some of the rounds were close. Usyk still clearly won on 2/3 scorecards, and he won clearly, so who cares?

    Usyk won via UD. How is that not good enough for you? 8-4/9-4 is a fair enough score.

    People always consider AJ priviliged and likely to rob people on scorecards but the reality is this has never happened.

    AJ has never won a lucky decision in his life. His only decision wins he clearly won.

    Unless Joshua KO's Usyk or scores knockdowns, then Usyk will win again via UD.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's not delusion

    He's lying through his teeth

    Less than two days before the fight

    ''I know what I’m doing. I know exactly what I’m doing. I know what I’m gonna do. I know...Knockout, Kronk style. When I watch things, I like Emanuel Stewart’s mindset. Obviously you’ve got to do your As and Bs and Cs but is you follow them they’ll lead to you to KO — and that’s what we’re here to do, put on a spectacular show, people want to see knockouts and that’s what we’ve got to deliver for the fans.”

    He was clearly befuddled by Usyk's constant movement, speed and feints from the outset and was having enough trouble trying to pin him down and catch him with arm punches

    Like the analogy he used himself the other day - fighting Usyk is like trying to swat a fly

    And Joshua has admitted he cannot enter the rematch using an overly-aggressive approach otherwise he will come unstuck for a second time. “We might have to box, that’s what he (Garcia) said,"

    “It depends what Usyk brings as well. “It’s like trying to swat a fly. You know, because I’m the bigger man, I’m gonna’ go in there and just swat this fly and it is going to die.

    "But you know how difficult it is to swat a fly because it moves around a lot and how energy-draining that is. I can’t just now come in and start boxing like Mike Tyson - it’s just not me - I have got to be the best me.''

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    He also lied about never going into the ring with a game plan before which is quite clearly patently absurd and easily disprovable

    But he says the game plan against Usyk was to box

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    That ''huh'' reaction was obviously because he thought he might get another gift from the judges in his home country again not because he thought he'd done enough

    Does this sound like a game plan?

    Granted, obviously anyone above dog intelligence wouldn't need to read these quotes to know AJ is talking complete bollocks

    'Anthony Joshua’s longtime trainer Rob McCracken says the plan is for AJ to box Andy Ruiz Jr. on December 7th, and not put himself in harm’s way like he did in their previous fight in June. McCracken doesn’t want to give away the whole game plan, but he makes it clear that the focus is to box Ruiz, and not let him get close to get close to land his combinations.

    “I want to box Ruiz, and that’s what he’s going to do,” said McCracken. “You’ve seen heavyweight champions lose their titles, and have a rematch with the person they’ve lost to. He’s not going to go skulk away, and take another year or 18 months to. He doesn’t want to do that. he wants to beat Ruiz, and try and get his titles back. He doesn’t want to fight lower level opponents. That’s the reality of it. He’s a smart guy, and he knows what he’s doing, and in my opinion, if he gets it right, and he carries out the tactics, he can get his titles back.''


    'Anthony Joshua’s trainer Rob McCracken has openly discussed aspects of their game plan for Saturday’s rematch with Andy Ruiz Jr.

    When asked whether it matters if AJ emerges victorious via points or stoppage, McCracken told Sky: “I don’t care, I don’t care if he wins on points or–

    “I just really don’t care. I think he’s gotta stick to the tactics, I think he’s gotta use his advantages and get the win.''

    “He got the win using his tactics smartly against [Joseph] Parker. I think he’s gotta do something not the same but similar, little differences.

    “But certainly he’s just gotta stick to the tactics and not worry too much about the crowd and the excitement of the rounds.

    “Just get out there, get behind your jab, start boxing and get the win. Use your height and reach, use your advantages.

    “I don’t take a lot of notice of it, but the people that work in the camp…listen, it was a hard night,” said McCracken. “We’ve seen great fighters lose and get KO’d. They’ve come back, and won in the rematch, and got the tactics right. If Anthony can employ the tactics he needs to do, he can win the rematch,

    ''It’s a fight. It’s reactive fighting. A boxing match, professional is like a fight. You know how a fight breaks out on the street. Anything can happen. It’s the one that is in control that wins. Joshua has got to be in control. That’s what he’s got to do, and that’s going to be part of the game plan. I’m not going to go into the technical side of it, but certainly he’s got to be in control and win one round at a time. He’s got to carry out the plan that he’s training for, and he’s agreed to as well,” said McCracken.''

    So he's thrown McCraken under the bus twice now. McCracken is now known as a trainer whose fighters spend an entire camp training without a game plan and who won't inform his fighters when they're losing a fight


    Pretty sure his current co-head trainer Angel Fernandez was in his corner for the first fight giving him instructions too

    So he dumped McCracken but kept the guy who was in his corner who kept silent about the fact they were losing the fight?
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Howard Foster had AJ up 77-75 after eight rounds, giving five rounds to AJ and three rounds to Uysk :facepalm:

    AJ has just signed a huge new deal with DAZN

    An AJ vs Fury match up will be the biggest fight of all time according to E-Hearn and he's probably right

    I'm sure there's no incentive to rob Usyk so that can happen though :facepalm:

    How's about if they have a rematch?

    Or a trilogy?

    Not a peep about Usyk getting a rematch if he were to lose though

    Forget about that

    He has to get past AJ twice, take part in two semi-finals, to book his place in the final even though he won the first one wide in the away corner where everything was heavily stacked against him and sans any controversy, other than one of judge's cards that is and one of the other's was still too close

    AJ only has to beat Usyk once to book his place though even though Usyk fought him in his backyard for the first one on hostile territory where everything was heavily stacked against him in front of 65,000 or so rabid AJ fans

    And AJ clearly lost to Savon in the Olympics and most had him losing the final to Cammarelle too :facepalm:
     
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  12. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody needs Usyk in the money game, compare to AJ. They need AJs fans more than ever

    They will rob him no questions and I will not complain, since he chose this himself and agree for a rematch for more money.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    This is actually a really nice candid interview articulating exactly what his issue was.

    If you're surrounded by yes men it's easy to be sucked in by your own hype. And he obviously was. And he's accepted his own delusions about it, accepted he lost the fight and has dealt with the issue of having yes men in the camp.

    Fair play to him.
     
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  14. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Priceless :risas3::risas3:
     
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  15. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    AJ is delusional. He won 3 or maybe 4 rounds at most. Fight really wasn’t competitive. He got beat by a guy who just has a far superior skill set and Ring IQ.
     
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