Is There A Lightheavy That Could Beat Jack Dempsey??

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  1. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've watched the footage available on Youtube. If there is more, than some collectors have it and you haven't seen it either.

    My analogy is more than valid. Your claims are stupid.
    Langford is the weaker puncher and he's also less skilled.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

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    Here's how Brennan was described in The New York Times the morning of his title fight with Dempsey.

    The Chicagoan has never been regarded any higher than the station of a good second-rater. His most dangerous rival, as revealed by the records, appears to have been Billy Miske, over whom Brennan gained two decisions. He boxed a draw with Battling Levinsky. His knockout victims include none of imposing reputation. Some of the boxers whom Brennan engaged in no-decision bouts are Jim Coffey, whose only attribute was as a victim of Frank Moran; Tom Cowler, an inferior British heavyweight; Bartley Madden of the west side, Harry Greb of Pittsburgh, and Willie Meehan, the rotund Frisco heavyweight.
     
  3. Greb5000

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    Many of the greatest lt heavyweights who ever lived such as Sam Langford battling Levinsky, Jack Dillon, George Carpentier, Billy Miske, Tom Gibbons, Tommy Lougran, Gene Tunney, Jimmy Braddock , Mickey Walker rated Dempsey as the greatest fighter who ever lived. But the guys who might last longest but not win would be the movers
     
  4. 70sFan865

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    Then you should have your eyes checked.
    How are my claims about his reach and weight stupid? These are facts, you know - something different than your opinions.
    How can you know that he's weaker?
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    The testimonies in favor of Langford's power are astronomical.

    Jim Flynn said that when Langford hit him it was like getting hit with a baseball bat. Said Langford hit harder than Dempsey.

    "Sam Langford was one of the hardest punchers of all time, and certainly must be ranked among the top 10 heavyweights of all time. I wouldn't call him as many have, the greatest heavyweight, but he does merit a place among the top ten. I saw him fight five times, against Harry Wills, Battling Jim Johnson, Sam McVey , Joe Jeannette, and Philadelphia Jack O’Brien. He was not only a terrific hitter but he was also a good boxer. He could even stun a man by hitting him on the shoulder or arms. Sam was endowed with everything. He possessed strength, agility, cleverness, hitting power, a good thinking cap and an abundance of courage. He feared no one. But he had the fatal gift of being too good and that's why he often had to give away weight in early days and make agreements with opponents. Many of those who agreed to fight him, especially of his own race, wanted an assurance that he would be merciful or insisted on a bout of not more than six rounds." - Ring magazine editor and founder, Nat Fleischer
     
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  6. Liston73

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    I never implied Dempsey took Fulton's punch I said I doubted Willis hit any harder than Fulton and Firpo.Wills dropped Firpo on a break something he was prone to do.
    "Nobody hurt me more than my pal Bill Brennan .".Jack Dempsey.
    Over 74 % kos indicates a puncher to me.
    How did they describe Brennan AFTER the fight?
     
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  7. Liston73

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    Langford was one of the heaviest hitters of all time .
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    A 35 year old Wills near the end of the road. Wills fought Firpo with damaged hands and proceeded cautiously otherwise he most likely could have finished him. He staggered Firpo with a jab, put him on rubber legs. Tossed him around like a rag doll, a guy known for his strength. Are you implying the right hand knockdown wasn't legitimate?
    What basis do you make for claiming Fulton hit harder than Wills? Wills broke Fulton's ribs with his fists.

    That's nice of Jack to say. Did he also say why he gave Brennan a title shot in the first place after being decimated by Harry Greb multiple times and 6'3 220lb monster Harry Wills waiting atop the # 1 spot?

    Brennan was not a monster hitter, despite your misleading KO percentage against unemployed shepherds and vacationing street car conductors.
     
  9. klompton2

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    Bill Brennan had 103 fights and 49 KOs. Check your math.
     
  10. Greb5000

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    Battling Jim Johnson, Bill Tate
    Of course Langford was one of the greats ever, also Battling Jim Johnson , Bill Tate , Fred Fulton said Dempsey was the greatest hitter they ever fought and Tate and Fulton said he was probly the greatest puncher who ever lived all three fought Langford sometimes numerous
     
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  12. Liston73

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    I never said he was a monster hitter, he was a good puncher 62 k0s and 3 tech stoppages in126 fights,Your last bit of childish sarcasm was unwarranted.I've been polite to you but if you want to act the **** I can do that and I've a far wider vocabulary than you do and I know how to use it
    Be a **** and Ill treat you like one.Your choice!
     
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  13. White Bomber

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    To me, Nat Fleischer's opinion isn't even worth the dog **** you avoid on the street.
    Man watched boxing all his life, yet he was ****ing clueless about this sport.
    His top 10 HWs list totally proves that:
    1. Jack Johnson
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Jim Jeffries
    4. Jack Dempsey
    5. Muhammad Ali
    6. Jim Corbett
    7. Sam Langford
    8. Gene Tunney
    9. Max Schmeling
    10. Rocky Marciano
     
  14. Holmes77

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    Bob Foster in basically a replay of when he fought Mike Quarry. Yes I know Foster didn’t have any luck at Heavyweight but Dempsey is not a big guy etc….. There is not that much difference in there weight and I could see Foster putting Dempsey to sleep if he can hit him
     
  15. White Bomber

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    No, you should, and you should try to get a better understanding of this sport.

    I was talking about your claims regarding his skill and punching power, not about his reach and weight.

    Cause he's smaller and his punching mechanics don't seem good enough to generate massive power output.