Canelo is like Mike Tyson

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    @ConfusedGuy Another similarity with Floyd Canelo is that it was contested at a catchweight of 145, 2 lbs below the limit which was insisted on by Chavez. So the deck was stacked against Sweet Pea, in terms of the catchweight, in terms of fighting Chavez in his backyard in the same way that the deck was stacked against Canelo, in terms of the catchweight, in terms of fighting Floyd in his backyard. I could go on and on about comparing these two fights, but I think you get the picture. Both fights were seen as clear wins for Whitaker and Floyd, however I think we can agree that Chavez had the upper hand in terms of the "favorable judging" and "perception" that he was unbeatable at 88-0. Floyd had the same upper hand in terms of "favorable judging" and "perception" that he was unbeatable when he fought Canelo. He was P4P #1 fighting in his hometown of Vegas. Canelo was not established like Chavez was when he fought Sweet Pea. Now of course CJ Ross's draw card was very favorable to Canelo, and understandably created outrage, but a lot of that outrage was due to how much of a favorite Floyd was to beat Canelo, as opposed to the performance itself, which was impressive by Floyd, but not in my mind (from what I remember) as impressive as Sweet Pea over Chavez.

    And if you disagreee with any of this, I would implore you to go back through that Floyd Canelo topic I linked above where I went through the first 6 rounds in great detail. Study those rounds yourself, look at the screenshots and video clips I provided fo Round 6 and you'll see the Floyd fouling, you'll see Canelo landing a lot of shoulder shots that most fans didn't pay attention to. Those kind of shots and fouls are valid reasons score that round for Canelo or score that even like I did. You really gotta go through it round by round and ask yourself, not just who you scored many of the rounds for, but if there's an argument for it being scored the other way. With Chavez against Whitaker, I'm just not sure he landed as well on Sweet Pea as Canelo landed on Floyd. Yes Canelo got hit with a lot of jabs, many of them clean, but he also was landing a lot on Floyd than most fans didn't pay attention to.

    So it's an interesting comparison to compare those 2 fights and decide which was closer, but in the end I think we have to agree that PW Chavez being scored a draw was more controversial than Floyd Canelo being scored a Floyd win. You can't say Floyd Canelo was a robbery because Floyd in fact got the win. PW deserved the win and didn't get it, and then when you really study how close Floyd Canelo actually was like I detailed in that topic, and then on top of that you had Floyd and Chavez both insisting on catchweights, all that adds up to PW Chavez being far more controversial and a bad decision, whereas Floyd Canelo, Floyd got the win, so you can't say that was as bad as PW Chavez. People really need to understand how close Floyd Canelo was, but this forum is notorious for not respecting Canelo when it comes to scoring. So I don't think that's gonna happen. But you should be able to see it if you go through that Floyd Canelo topic. If you have any problems with how I scored Rounds 1-6 of Floyd Canelo, let me know what you disagree with and why. And let me know how many rounds you think could be reasonably given to Chavez against PW as a comparison.
     
  2. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    The 3 115-113 cards you mention were tendered by Vegas judges LOL Everyone knows what they are like. Look at the ridiculous "draw & loss" they gifted Canelo with against GGG
    Please just give up this pretence you are just making a fool of yourself
     
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  3. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Damn I'm putting this fool on ignore he types a mini War & Peace yet its all bull feces.
    A joke's a joke but screw a pantomime
     
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  4. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha ha ha ha yes he's the type who waits to see which way the crowd was moving before nipping to the front and shouting "follow me..."a bullshitter...
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the liar still trying to win arguments? :lol:
     
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  6. Vegan Beast

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    He also lost against GGG as well.
     
  7. Vegan Beast

    Vegan Beast Grandpappy Ortiz Full Member

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    I'd really love to know where Tyson's "step up in quality" losses were?

    You can't possibly include his fight vs Lewis in 2002 where he completely washed up and finished.

    The only one you could possibly include is his fight vs Holyfield, but then again he was past his prime here, after 4 years away in prison.
     
  8. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're just a troll at this stage. No one can say this stuff seriously.
     
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  9. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Still thinks Floyd vs Canelo was close

    :duh
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you talking about? 115-113 x3 is one round away from a draw. Saying that's not close is trolling. Besides Canelo, GGG never fought anybody as good as Mayweather or Bivol, and Canelo fought those guys at significant weight disadvantages.

    GTFOH calling it trolling to point out these unequivocal facts.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    116-112, 114-114, 117-111 isn't close? Same scores as Floyd Maidana 1, which everyone agrees was close. Get Floyd's balls outta your mouth. You really need to pay more attention when scoring. I spoon fed you rounds 1-6 in the other topic, so rather than live in ignorance, go through that topic, view the screenshots and clips I shared, particularly the ones of Round 6, so you understand why it was close.
     
  12. elmaldito

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    When has a canelo scorecard ever told the tale of his fights? Bivol, Lara, mayweather, and ggg beat canelo rather easy.
     
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  13. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Mike Tyson was a killer. People were scared to fight him. Nobody is scared of canelo and u got guys begging to fight him that he will never face.
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Every time. Scorecards always tell the story. Fans often try to tell a different story when they don't like the story that the scorecards tell.
     
  15. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    These threads are silly, it basically comes down to who you like and dislike, similar to choosing friends at school.

    For the record, although I'm not his biggest fan, Canelo is an excellent fighter.