Peak Joe Louis V Peak Larry Holmes

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ThatOne, Jul 19, 2022.



Who wins

  1. Bronze Bomber

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    53.8%
  2. Easton Assassin

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    46.2%
  1. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didn't need a lot to put him down though. Max was a very powerful puncher, you don't need to be giant muscular man to punch hard.
    I view them in similar tier. Louis got dropped a bit more, but he was far more agressive than Holmes and worked within smaller margins of error.
     
  2. janitor

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    Understand that calling Joe Louis "the bronze bomber", could be considered an insult!

    I understand that most of his monikers were insults, but at least he owned those!
     
  3. Liston73

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    I never mentioned muscularity. Louis was floored 10 times.I agree with the underlined.
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How many times was Holmes floored?
     
  5. Liston73

    Liston73 Active Member banned Full Member

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    Without looking it up I'd say 6.
    Isaac
    Shavers
    Snipes
    Tyson x3 . 38 out of the ring for nearly 2 years
    Did Weaver floor him can't remember ?
     
  6. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes outboxes Louis handily.
     
  7. 70sFan865

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    Then it's quite similar number, don't you think?
     
  8. Liston73

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    But not similar circumstances. Take out 38 years old Holmes abortive comeback for $$$ and we have 3 kds versus 10!
    Of course this doesn't mean Larry wins against the most complete heavyweight I've seen.
     
  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just FYI, Of Joe’s 10, 2 were incurred vs Marciano when Joe was 37 on the comeback himself $$$.

    It’s not often referenced but does anyone think Larry was legitimately knocked down a second time vs Shavers in round 9? It was ruled a slip.
     
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  10. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson is the most complete HW
     
  11. Liston73

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    Tyson was not a good inside fighter.Neither could he box as well as Louis.imo
     
  12. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then take out Louis KDs from Marciano fight.
     
  13. Liston73

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    I think I'm up to speed on Louis.
    Just FYI Joe was fighting regularly when eh faced Marciano having had 85rds of actual fights since beginning his comeback.
    Since his retirement on May 1st 1949 Louis had also engaged in 220rds of exhibitions. Between his retirement on19th of April 22nd and his comeback on Jan 1988 Holmes did nothing.

    Spot the difference??
     
  14. Liston73

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    No Louis was an active fighter who had just had 85rds of combat+220rds of Exhibitions .There is simply no comparison that can be logically made between them!
     
  15. 70sFan865

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    You also say in different threads that Louis had nothing left in Marciano fight.

    You really like cherry picking facts to make your point, don't you?