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  1. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anybody knows if there's any online site that attempted to create a boxrec-like records for bareknuckle boxers of old?

    I know there's an old book fistiana, plus American fistiana, there're list of fights by year, such as what I posted yesterday in Telegram for 1824-1855 & 1859 published in London newspapers, the author of Famous Fights Past&Present compiled a list of records of some fighters, Tracy Callis did the bk champions records at CBZ, but it's nothing like what we have for gloved fights at boxrec.
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  2. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    enough people have explored it and certainly wrote about all the known figures & Champions, though perhaps no one has gathered all those volumes for the pupose of Cateloging Fights. Maybe, I don't know, but it would be an ardous research excercise.

    Perhaps it has been done.

    I know my research project took 2 - 3 years and required 3 main sourses, the Ring Magazine, Boxing News and British Newspaper Reports & Cuttings, since that initial 2, 3 years I have quadruppled my resourses owing to Online Newspaper sites.

    But for the Bareknuckle Era, you'd need as many Text Books as Possible and Newspaper Archives from the Main Countries, Britain, France, Australia and America...

    a dedicated project to say the least, if it hasn't already been done, at least in part!
     
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  3. Tockah

    Tockah Ingo's Bingo Full Member

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    Thistle what sort of research did you do?
     
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    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I Researched & Revived the Scot's middleweight fighter, Bert Gilroy's story, starting with a reminant copy of his Scrapbook, consisting of eitherside of 600 Reports, which by the time I finished writing the Book - Gilroy was here, I had at least 1500 Reports.

    again since the finish I now have over 4000 Reports on the Man, including all the Ratings, damn near all his Fight Reports from 1935 - 1950, Bert's Title status, the Robbed Decision's, Board Decision, Pictures, Programmes, Hand Bills and all such necessary material for any Boxing Book inclusion.

    I still search nearly every couples of weeks or so for New Material.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crazy that boxrec doesn’t recognize Sullivan-Kilrain, one of the most famous, chronicled and recognized matches in all of boxing history.
     
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    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have a book written that covers boxing history from early man up to 1822. Need to edit and publish. **** I'm busy these days.
     
  7. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    It would be interesting. There would be a hard question how you'd handle fights where there's only reports of them from decades later, boxrec has that issue too, but not nearly to the same extent.

    Also a lot of fights in the 1700s don't have very clear dates.
     
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    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A lot of fights from the 1700's don't even use the boxers real names in reports. WIlliam Ward had at least 3 other names newspapers referred to him as.

    There's also usually nothing to denote two guys with the same name.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Or literally just their trade can be mentioned.
     
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  10. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Inevitably a butcher, blacksmitch, waterman or sailor.
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Bakers, Springers and Coachmen too
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure an approach could be found even for such cases (anonymous boxers with only their profession given), it doesn't sound that difficult if you are a programmer (like I am). Thought there could be something somebody has already done, Fistiana has been available for one and a half century, even if it's far from perfect. But, unfortunately, my subscription to the British newspaper archive ends tomorrow and there was simply too much material to download them all for later use. I guess I'll have to give it a try one day with what I have.

    Ok, an easier question, did anybody try to compare the 18th century fights listed in the Sporting Magazine (boxing history was published in several parts in one of the early volumes), Pancratia, Boxiana vol. 1 and Fistiana, to see if they are repeating the same list of fights or there's a difference? I guess not that hard of a task to write down maybe a hundred or so bouts mentioned to have taken place before 1800 and compare several sources, then compare them to what actual newspaper reports we have found together in one of the old threads on this forum.
     
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  13. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is that the one by Jon Bee (Badсock)? From his slang dictionary:

    "shortly will appear,
    FANCY CHRONOLOGY; a History of Pugilism in Britain, being a brief Chronological Account of all the Prize Fights, Milling Matches, and Hammering Bouts, which have occurred during the last One Hundred Years. Affording a clear and perspicuous view of above Seven Hundred Contests of fisty-cuffs, with the leading incidents and remarkable circumstances attending each."

    Never seen it online, not sure which other single book could be published around 1822 with that stuff (Boxiana consisting of 3 volumes already at that point).
     
  14. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No I mean I wrote it. Been at if for years between more pressing work. Currently about 80,000 words. Starts in from 3000BC in Sumeria up to Tom Cribb's last title defense. Specifically focusing on the Ancient Greek Olympics, the medieval Russian Wall on wall fights, the Bridge battles of Venice and finally jolly old ****ing England and the US.

    I stopped at 1822 because the amount of differing sources was getting out of hand. I've had 2 laptops and a father die in the process of writing it. Also have the covers designed.
     
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  15. Saintpat

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    That hardly ended centuries ago.

    Walker Smith. Arnold Cream.

    Not to mention Butterbean and Thailand’s Galaxy boys and 3Kbatterygyms and whatnot.

    Consider it a tradition.
     
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