Does Oleksandr Usyk defeat the top 10 heavyweights?

I'm not a big Holmes fan but to be consistent I will say it's grossly unfair to judge Larry by the Spinks fights. He was further away from his prime than close to it.

 

Something like this, though I think Louis and Ali beat him handily.

 

Shame you can’t answer the question

 

Am i the only one who sees Usyk's heavyweight stocks, H2H, dropping a tad after yesterday?

Joshua to me is a manufactured fighter who is, despite the size differences, very well suited to a talent like Usyk. He can't get overly aggressive for any decent amount of time as his gas tank is decidedly suspect and he's just not fluent in the ring. He actually fought his best yesterday IMO and had some good moments. He's just not good enough however to beat Usyk.

I think Fury, if he doesn't suddenly get hit by father time (you could argue similar for Usyk) will be such a tougher assignment, like night and day. He's virtually the opposite of AJ with excellent skills and fluency despite his size and he's not afraid to amp up the pace when he feels the need as he has good stamina and knows how to fight while awaiting a second wind. He can also put punches together.

I'd be really keen for that fight and i think it'd give us some further insight into both. A fair bit of it.

 

No, you're not the only one.

I think using Joshua, as a benchmark for Usyk's head-to-head heavyweight prowess, provides for a poor measurement.

Your points about Joshua's shortcomings are spot on, in my opinion.

I think those points are underlined, from my own perspective, in me believing that Chisora has provided the toughest heavyweight challenge for Usyk, to date (Yes, even when taking Joshua's seeming and rare successes against Usyk into consideration). Which, the more I think about it, really does place things into perspective.

Joshua is limited and it is not as though the Usyk bouts alone were required, in order to come to this conclusion.

Fury is a vastly more capable fighter, with even greater physical advantages. Usyk isn't going to be able to replicate his performances against Joshua against Fury and expect a win. He'll have to do something else - I'm looking forward to seeing how that 'something else' will manifest itself and how Fury will handle it.

 

I agree. did expect Usyk stop Joshua. this was failed. Joshua did box better. but still also I think Usyk made too hard work of very limit boxer. Joshua is not top class boxer at all in actually

Usyk is past best year & so is Fury. but they good still enough now probable will put on meaningful contest. if happens in December .

 

I really like these predictions.
Although despite my affection for Foreman, I think Usyk is skilled enough to evade & absorb & reach the later rounds & win, 65-35.

I like that you get that sustained pressure (or Tyson's combination of great speed with defense & countering) can win the day.
Marciano-yeah being a little smaller + being less accurate, I can see it being at best 50/50 for him.
Marciano as he was would be almost 35 lbs. lighter. It means less when Usyk is not likely to bomb him out, but still makes a difference-just like we would not pick CW (when max was 190) Holyfield against 221 lbs. Usyk.

 

I hesitate to ask because you think Foreman would lose to prime Bea Arthur on a good night but...
Did Foreman not only see Jesus after the fight was over, & when flung in the shower?

 

Yes, you’re on your own. Think Robinson Crusoe or even Tom Hanks in Castaway… “Wilson !!!!!!” Kidding.

I like Usyk but as has been already said PRIOR to this fight….we need(ed) to see more.

Even though rematching the guy he had already beaten, we did see more.

AJ did fight better and it made some difference and perhaps provided some insight into weaknesses (Usyk’s) that could be taken greater advantage of - that’s why the mod. resume that = less fights and less broad/maintained application of skills can be deceiving.

As someone put it perfectly on another thread - to be deemed GREAT in the past, fighters had to work a lot harder and do a helluva lot more. No stone unturned.

I’ve only seen HLs so far and have read online descriptions otherwise. One notable feature was the effect of AJ’s body punch - which he only bothered to accent on after 2/3rds of the fight had already gone down.

For all the alleged evolved tech in boxing it’s not like going to the body from the get go to slow the down the more mobile guy (Usyk) is some nouveau strategy. It’s an obvious, tried and tested approach.

Apparently, per multiple reports, AJ got a bit dirty, low blows, hitting on the break, hammer fisting…again, I haven’t seen the whole fight so I can’t confirm based on vision yet.

I would love to see Fury vs Usyk also but notwithstanding Fury’s obvious skills, I wonder how much heavy handed leaning and holding might be employed by Tyson - as we often see SHWs practice against their smaller counterparts.

There is the Father Time factor in its own right but there’s also the lesser # of fights which might possibly extend their longevity - though I guess Usyk’s extensive AM career (350 fights?) and his more energetic, perpetual manner of fighting has to be duly weighed in.

PS - AJ’s post fight behaviour was appalling - not least for it taking away from what should’ve been Usyk’s moment absolute.

 

I though Usyk proved in the second Joshua bout that he had a Holyfield like chin ( taking some monster shots ) and heart .. I think AJ fought as good as he could and that Usyk was simply a tough match up for him based on speed and chin .. I like Fury but still feel a few life and deaths against a very dangerous but limited Wilder was not the great test many make it out to be .. if he fights Usyk maybe well have a ref that wont let him lean on and smother his opponent with weight all fight .. it will be very interesting ..

 

I respect Usyk but a lot of people underestimate the skills of Holmes or even punchers like Liston.

Anthony Joshua is an amateur in direct comparison, he doesn't do any feints, not even feint Jabs.
He is extremely predictable with his punches.

Look Liston here in this Video

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I never see Joshua do anything like this and Liston was primary a Puncher. Also Foreman has more Skills.

 

Usyk embarrasses Louis

 

When?

 

In our fantasy fight.
Louis can do well against anyone that stands still and trades with him, but against someone who moves well and doesn't let him set/plant his feet to hit, he's in big trouble.

 

You copied your post from our last discussion and I proved it wrong. Why do you even post on this forum if you don't read responses?