I pick Greb over Tua

Do you mean the HW Toney on 'roids or do you think Toney at 160 would beat Tua?

Moore was overpowered and outmuscled by Marciano, but he did beat Valdes who was 210 of solid muscle. Tua wasn't only strong and hard hitting, though, he had an extreme work rate as well and an iron chin. Not someone I'd like to give up 30-40 lbs to.

 

Both, though obese version of Toney might get outworked.

Marciano was significantly more refined fighter though, I have never seen Tua pressuring anyone as well as Rocky did Moore.

 

If Tua only had to pressure guys who were arguably past it and former LHWs, I think he would look a lot more refined. I don't think Tua goes toe to toe with Roland LaStarza for 21 rounds, or loses many of those rounds either (as Rocky did). I don't think Rock would look super refined trying to pressure Lennox Lewis for example.

As far as Tua vs. Greb, the only question is how far into the stands Harry would fly. This isn't A Farewell to Arms days, and Tua wouldn't be there to sing Greb's praises like Hemingway was.

 

I don’t think that’s the victory you think it is.

 

If Tua ever fought someone even close to Moore or Charles in terms of skillset, he would look hopeless against them. We have seen him against Byrd and it wasn't pretty.

Me neither, but Tua didn't look well in that fight either.

Cool story.

 

What's your point?

 

Significantly more refined... Not that Tua was a 230 lbs JCC and Rocky was more tricky than what one would think, but I don't know.

 

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No one alive has ever seen Greb fight, anyone saying Greb wins is going off what there mind wants to believe. How much is Greb weighing in this hypothetical fight? Did Greb ever fight a 220 pound ferocious Samoan with the power of David Tua and workrate he had in his prime?

Let's say Tua is 220 and Greb is 160, has anyone here ever been hit by someone 60 pounds heavier that knows how to fight? Believe me it sucks, also just the force of someone that size hitting your arms can move you, physics can be a real b!tch when it comes to fighting.

 

A lot of pro boxers actually.

 

In a full on fight? When was the last time a fight like that in boxing has been sanctioned? Do you think any current 160 pound fighter now could handle Wilder's power for example or do all them fighters that could handle the Heavyweights who have a significant weight/size advantage just magically disappeared over the years?

 

Yeah, Tommy Loughran had quite a few such fights for example.

I don't know. The last time I can think of was Haye vs Valuev where the difference was bigger than 60 lbs.

I think very few could and it's extremely rare, but not impossible. Fighting at HW is much more demanding and today, there is no point doing so financially speaking.

About Wilder - Marlon Hayes lasted 4 rounds against Wilder and he was a 40 years old obese MW from the 1990s. I wouldn't be shocked if truly elite small fighters would last the distance with Wilder.

 

I’m an agnostic when it comes to Greb.

But let’s say perhaps that a Tua in the hand (if you could hold him) might even be worth two Grebs in the burning bush.

 

Tommy Loughran is a poor example, I'm talking in recent years as in 70's+ where quality got better, somehow now these guys well under 200 pounds just cease to exist when it comes to handling 200+ pound fighters?

Hayes against Valuev is a decent shout, Haye was still over 200 pounds though and Valuev was a strange one, it seemed like he never really liked hitting anyone.

No fighter ever under 200 pounds would be able to take guys like Tyson Fury, Lennox Lewis, Klitschko brothers etc the physical advantages are just way too much, hell Jersey Joe Walcott got knocked out by Abe Simon who was a huge man in the 40's and he didn't have half the skills those guys had. A guy like Vitali Klitschko for example took Lennox Lewis' best punches, he would not be afraid of a shot from a man under 200 pounds, he would also be much strong in clinches and could most the opponents whole body just catching them in the arm.

No "Truly elite small fighters" Would get past Wilder let alone go the distance, middleweights get rocked and knocked out by other middleweights let alone a 6'6 man with an 83 inch reach whose not slow and knocks out much bigger men regularly.

The thing is a lot of this comes down to pure fantasy, can a smaller fighter beat a bigger fighter? Yes more so in MMA or Muay Thai I believe because there's more weapons to use but in a sport where it's just about punching the opponent the days if some 160 pound fighters beating a 200+ pound man ended a long time ago and any fighter would tell you that. Do you think a 120 pound boxer could hang with a 160 pound fighter?

 

Stupid post he was way to small would be ran through fast,anybody who picked him was just joking its easy to see he would be ran through looks trash...