Well put friend. I had to put things into proper perspective for them. Both were pricks but Leonard was the less talented and Hector wasn't about to carry him for ten rounds.
Leonard was the man who retired Marvin Hagler. Refusal to give Hagler a rematch ot not, that was Hagler's last fight. Losing to Leonard mentally took it out of him. The feeling was like a death in Hagler's family. Destroyed mentally.
Camacho was brilliant as a 130lber; seemed to be ruined by Rosario; only to redeem himself in the Chavez fight, where he lived up to his infamous nickname and too k his beating like a man. After that he was never the same again, but flattening Leonard with a jab is a sight I always loved.
Hagler said he was retiring after the Mugabi fight. He just postponed it because he was offered a minimum of 18 mil. So it wasn't leonard who retired him. Camacho on the other hand delivered such a shellacking, Leonard was delivered into the land of valhalla, land of brutally ko'd warriors.
I loved it too Tbooze. The whole performance is worth review. Hector pulled out all the old dirty tricks; hold behind the neck and whop him one to the head. The beauty of it was the ref never saw it. None of ray's dirty tricks mattered. hector even upstaged Sugar Ray at the weight in and press conferences beforehand. Ray couldn't stand Hector but there was nothing he could do about it. As Hector would say, "I got more spunk" Hector took ray's best shot in the 2nd round, a right flush to the chin. Hector didnt blink. But Ray couldnt take hector's best. Both were superb boxers, fast and pretty boys too. Only difference is Hector had more inside where it counts and that's what made the difference in the fight.
Thats lies. Pure and utter nonsense. Hagler said he had to think things over after the Mugabi fight. He never said he was retiring. Thats a fact. No doubt you'll try and talk your way out of it. You always do. The fight in the pipeline was a Hearns rematch. Instead Hagler opted for an easier fight on paper for more money.
Marvin said in the interview "I'm giving it some thought but this might be my last fight". What else is that suppossed to mean other than he isn't interested in continuing boxing. That means Leonard never retired him. Regardless of how you may try to argue this, Hagler was never battered senseless the way Leonard was in the Norris or Camacho fights. Ray even had to take 3 years off because of a knockdown caused by Howard. Hagler was never floored the way Ray often was.
I saw him go down in a flash kd in '88 to some latin guy I forget his name. He was starting to lose it at that point.
Correct. But mentally he was humilated. He thought it was a marquee superfight with plenty of dollars and little risk. He was fighting an opponent who had one fight in five years and it was his first fight at the weight. Leonard's name on his record was the ideal way for Hagler to leave the sport. Obviously with a win, not a loss. Hagler was quite simply beaten mentally before, during, and after the fight.
I dont understand how he was mentally beaten. He was retiring and Ray leaped at the chance before he made it formal. What can I say Robbi? The thought of fighting a vulnerable opponent excites him. That's the way he is. But beating him mentally is another story altogether and is nothing more than fabrication. With Leonard fans they always come up with new ways of making him look victorious. Ray can't just straight up beat them physically so his fans have to resort to "His opponent was mentally beaten"
Awesome talent, may have been faster than any boxer not named Ray or Howard in his prime, probably could've fought Mayweather at 130, other than that, no major concern at 130. Once Rosario put the fear of God in him, was never quite the same fighter.