John L Sullivan vs Jack Johnson

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  1. Star333

    Star333 New Member banned Full Member

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    I rate Johnson but I’ve got Sullivan by KO here
     
  2. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Johnson easily, the sport was evolving at a rapid pace back then, he would've beat him up and stopped him, because in Sullivan's day, he had no one to learn from, but as new fighters come along they developed skills and other fighters learned from them and that just kept going, by the time Johnson came around, they had learned a bit of boxing, how to set up punches and be defensively aware, they had better balance and overall they had evolved too much, just like how Johnson would not be able to compete with fighters of today
     
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  3. Star333

    Star333 New Member banned Full Member

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    I respect your opinion but I just feel 1883 Sullivan knocks out Johnson in any fight scheduled for 15+ rounds

    15 or under I got Johnson on points
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Johnson for me.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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  6. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If we only knew more about prime Sullivan...
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    If you don’t split them up on assumptions and just rate top contenders and the outcome of fights as it is then we can at least say that John L Sullivan was as dominant and created a very rare and large gulf between him and the next best. But I’m not an expert…
     
  8. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    It’s a real shame. I wish he’d have done something like Corbett with Tunney and did a little slow sparring and trick exchanges for the camera. We could at least see how he would want to react to certain things.
     
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  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would not write Sullivan off, but with no film on John L, we can not tell for sure. Still make Johnson the betting favorite though.
     
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  10. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    And perhaps a little bit more about Johnson.

    He clearly did things in fights, that we don't see on film.
     
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  11. SolomonDeedes

    SolomonDeedes Active Member Full Member

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    They tried to get him to spar for the cameras in 1894 but he wanted too much money and we ended up with Corbett-Courtney instead. A lost opportunity there.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    He dispatched of a black fighter I forget the name of with a series of rights to the heart and lefts to the liver. I’d like to have seen that.
     
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  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    That’s interesting. No longer Champ you’d think John L could’ve done with the money offered - whatever that was. I wonder what type of shape Sullivan was in - any chance he deliberately priced himself out? At any rate, a major loss not to have him sparring on film.
     
  14. janitor

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    He obviously did things in the Martin fights that are like noting we have seen on film.
     
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  15. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bring Sullivan from the early '80's into Johnson's day, I rather very like Johnson.
    Sullivan coming along in Johnson's day -- well, I still kinda like a '07-'10 Johnson (in shape) against a priming (in shape) Sullivan.
    Unless Sullivan hits Johnson hard.