Tokyo Douglas V Kinshasha Foreman

IIRC, It was actually a 19 foot ring but 16 foot was also mentioned. Need to confirm - but if 16 foot, definitely a factor and a good point.

 

Yeah, sure, Ali sat there "allowing" a murderous puncher to hit his body multiple times on purpose. He didn't adjust or try to avoid them due to some mysterious strategy which involved deliberately letting his opponent drain his stamina in a muggy outdoor arena. Every time you reply to me, somehow your posts become even dumber. It's amazing.

 

Thanks so much for your info. So are you the author Frank or have I misread that?

I’ve heard/read so many different versions on this - so not a case of forgetting but rather, determining which story is true.

Now that you mention it I do recall Zack Clayton rejecting the claim of a 19 foot ring. Purely based on his own eyes and judgement,, he said the ring was just 16 foot.

Dundee was quoted as saying it was a 20 foot ring but the ropes were for a 24 foot ring.

There is also the claim that Ali wanted 20 foot, Foreman 18 foot - so they compromised with a custom built 19 foot ring made by Everlast.

The ring did look somewhat small - I’ll have to have another look - it would be helpful to also view a confirmed 16 foot ring for comparison.

A 19 foot ring is still smaller than average but a 16 foot ring is that much smaller again.

I’ve read the ring in Jamaica vs Frazier was 21 foot - you could tell it was a bigger ring than that in Zaire, which might suggest that there was more than 2 square feet difference between that ring and the one in Zaire.

 

Did you just call Young fragile? Seriously?

 

A sizeable number of people think he beat the count so it's hardly as if he quit.

 

Foreman inside 3. Apart from the flash KD Buster barely took much of anything off Tyson and dominated, having it virtually all his own way. That isn't happening here against the aggressive, taller, ever pressuring Foreman who will make Buster work hard early on in the sweltering conditions, cutting off the ring and landing sweeping right hands to the body as big Bus shoots out of the corner to his left. His body will have been solidly tested even as early as round 1, as Ali's was. In round 2 the brutal body shots have already started to prie open the head area, somewhat, and it is the beginning of the end.

 

Yes, seriously. Young was a slick boxer, but not that strong or durable.

 

really Foreman need no excuses
but Douglas might need some
Douglas could not last 3 rounds with Holyfield
a few months later Foreman did last 12
one was 8 months past his prime performance
the other 17 years past his prime

 

Do you have any evidences that would question his durability?

 

Foreman cultists cry about the heat being too much for a Texan, can’t get anymore ridiculous then that especially when he’s getting thrashed by Jimmy Young. I don’t make excuses for Douglas because I don’t care.

 

Foreman lost decision to Young. no need for excuses. Young was pretty good boxer.
no need for a worship or a cult.
just try a fair rating of Foreman.

Foreman is superior to Douglas. that is all.

 

I always find it hilariously uninformed when people claim Ali never got hit cleanly in Zaire...yeah, he did, he even wrote about it in his autobiography. For just one example, there was an uppercut either in the 5th or 6th that landed dead on, Ali later wrote he was knocked out on his feet.

Minimizing Ali's performance (and it was a multi-faceted one for sure) is indicative of people who either mostly quote things they read somewhere else, didn't closely watch the fight, or a combination of the two.

 

Ali was sent to dreamland with 1 punch by a cruiserweight like Cooper and was also hit clean by a slow limited bum like Chuvalo.
So your idea that Douglas stands no chance is laughable.

No, Tokyo Douglas is not the same boxer who lost to Tucker.
Sure, Mike was unprepared, I've said this myself many times, but Douglas trained his arse for that fight and was more motivated than ever.

That's cause his heart was never into boxing and he did it being pressured by his father. The only time he gave everything he had was in Tokyo.

 

My point was that Douglas is more durable than Young.