I'm counting losses too. AJ, Whyte and Joyce are solid opponents. Chisora arguably is as he even gave Usyk trouble with his style.
How do you rate Ruiz above Joyce given their respective fights vs Parker? Walking shouldn't even be on the list. His greatest accomplishment is, like Wilder, losing to Tyson Fury.
I rate Ruiz above Joyce because he has a better resume: he knocked out AJ. I was asked for a top 10 and I gave you one. If you want to rate people differently, you’re of course most welcome to do so.
Yep. Parker’s only meaningful wins (if you think Hughie Fury is meaningful) came six years ago. He’s lost every time he’s stepped up with the exception of a hometown decision over Ruiz. Helenius is the better fighter right now based on recent results, no doubt in my mind. Hey, if you think beating Chisora makes you a top five or top 10 guy, bully for you. But that would put just about anyone who fights him in the top 10, lol.
Chisora has by miles a better resume than Wallin himself, how could you possibly argue otherwise? Chisora has Pulev, Parker, arguably Whyte while Wallin has Brezeale
I Still rate Parker in my top 10. He should pursue names like Hunter, Wallin, Ortiz, Yoka, Mckean, Dillian, Ruiz Dubois, Big Bang Zhang, Charles Martin.
Filip Hrgović. For boxing fans to see how good both of them are right now. Hrgović's win takes him into the Top 10 heavyweights, and guarantees him fights in which he could be in the Top 5, and he has a former world champion in his resume, which would be his biggest success so far. By defeating Filip Hrgović, he would show that he is not an elite boxer (I did not like his performance against Zhang). If Parker wins, Hrgovic regains confidence, has an undefeated rising star on his resume, and is guaranteed high-level fights. And Parker needs a return of confidence, because until the fight with Joyce he had never been knocked out. Things would be clearer about the Top 10-Top 15 heavyweights.
Yeah, but Parker also beat Ruiz. So not sure on your logic there. That's alright though, end of the day that's how you see it.
Parker legitimately beat Ruiz Jr. I had him winning by a point. However, I do agree that he has been massively overrated by many based on that win alone and being a former WBO belt holder. We have seen him now in repeated fights lacking punch power and the stamina to be an elite HW. He has lost everytime he has stepped up since that Ruiz win. His style and confidence as an undefeated fighter saw him through against Ruiz Jr at that moment in time. I would favour Ruiz Jr in a rematch at this point.
There is a legitimate case to be made that Ruiz Jr beats Parker in a rematch. Since that fight Parker hasn’t got a single win against an elite HW on his record. Whilst Ruiz Jr has beaten AJ and Ortiz. I agree that in terms of resume and recent wins, Ruiz is now above Parker in ranking.
I've seen worse top 10's, I agree with your top 6 but the bottom 4? Helenius beating Kownacki who then lost to Demirezen shouldn't put him in the top 10. Kownacki was a hype job who was never a legit contender, he isn't even gate keeper level. I think he wouldn't even beat Chisora or Takam. His best win is Charles Martin who he barely beat. Hrgovic looked terrible against Zhang. But I can see an argument for him being top 10 but Parker is far more proven with a better resume with wins over your number 5 Ruiz, albeit in a close fight that many think could of gone either way. But even if you think Parker lost to number 5 Ruiz it means Parker isn't much worse than Ruiz and personally I thought Parker beat Ruiz. Wallin is vastly overrated based on winning a few rounds against an unfocused Fury. People overrated Jennings too after his loss to Wlad then he got KO'ed by Ortiz. Wallin at best is a gate keeper and personally I don't think he's even that good, he's done nothing to suggest he's top 10. Whyte should definitely still be in the top 10. He lost to the number 1 guy in Fury. How does losing to Fury drop him all the way to 10 or worse when he has some decent wins over Parker, Chisora, Rivas, Browne as well as your number 7 Helenius. He should rank above Helenius at the very least having beaten him. Wilder lost to Fury too why doesn't he almost drop out of the top 10 if we are going only on recent performances? In fact he lost 3 times to Fury while Whyte only lost once and going by recent fights with Wilder having 2 losses and a draw, which should have been a 3rd loss, he should rank lower than Whyte if were saying recent performances matter more. But if that's not the case and with Wilder it's more about past performances then you can't have Helenius in your top 10 because his past performances prior to Kownacki suggest he's nowhere near top 10. There's a lack of consistency to your ranking system with fighters ranking lower than guys they have beaten and guys losing to the same guys but their effect on the ranking is not the same.
So shouldn’t you and everyone else post your tops 10s? I was asked for one and did. You’re of course free to disagree with mine. But a win six years ago on a hometown decision doesn’t mean the guy who lost can never rise above the guy who won the close, hometown decision. Ruiz shook that off and KO’d AJ … something Usyk wasn’t able to do in two tries, and Ruiz did so convincingly. He did lose the rematch but he just beat Ortiz while Parker’s trajectory has been downward. Again, Parker hasn’t won a meaningful fight since 2016. How long does he get to ride those coattails?
SIX years ago on a disputed decision in Parker’s hometown. I’d say KOing AJ while Parker has lost all his meaningful fights since trumps that decision. If your position is that Parker can never be ranked below Ruiz because of that decision, no matter what happens in more than half a decade since … I don’t really know what to say. I can show you tons of examples of guys losing to another guy and then being rated above them later based upon what happened after. It’s like Parker lives in a 2016 time capsule.
