the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Yaqui Lopez vs Mike Rossman

1 Rossman
2 Lopez
3 Lopez
4 Lopez
5 Rossman
6 Lopez 10-7
7 Rossman doesn't come out for the 7th round

58-54 Lopez

It was nice to see Lopez finally get a win after watching him lose some real heartbreakers in his career. Overall this was a fun little fight with some good back and forth action. The big talking point though is the 6th round where Lopez badly hurt Rossman, which i scored 10-7 it was that one sided IMO. But anyway the referee kept getting inbetween the fighters whilst Lopez was hammering Rossman. At one point Lopez thought he won by stoppage, and another time the referee gave Rossman a standing 8 count. I thought the referee made a right "balls up" of the situation. He seemed indecisive and let Rossman take too much punishment, and really the referee should of just jumped in earlier and stopped the fight which would of been much simpler. In the end Rossman just about made it out of the round, but his corner stopped the fight inbetween rounds thankfully so Rossman didn't take anymore unnecessary punishment.

 

Pat, your mention of Viruet's bout with Monroe Brooks had me thinking. This bout was televised (man, I wish it was out there) and I recall watching it and picking Brooks to win. But Monroe Brooks was a funny one. Blessed with uncanny boxing ability, but he fell in love with his power. The bout started out with Brooks trying to take Viruet's head off - which was silly as no one was going to take out Viruet. Anyways, he loses a number of the early rounds and then during the middle of the fight - possibly finally heeding Jackie McCoy's advice - he returns to his natural boxing ability and wins 3 or 4 rounds on the trot. But this isn't good enough for Monroe and the last third of the fight resorts back to trying to take out Adolfo, which allowed Viruet back in the fight and the win. An easy night's work turned into a disaster.

 

I have just re-watched Fernando Vargas V Howard Clarke, whilst not a thriller but Clarke being such a huge underdog in the fight did a lot better than his record suggested he could.

 

Yaqui Lopez v Mike Rossman (NY rounds scoring basis)

Round 1: Rossman
Round 2: Lopez
Round 3: Lopez
Round 4: Lopez
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Lopez
Rossman unable to continue between rounds

Total through 6 completed rounds: 4-1-1 Lopez (actual scores: 4-2, 4-2 and a 3-3 with Lopez ahead on two cards)

Man, Yaqui took Rossman to school that night, didn't he? Still, Rossman threw everything he had at Yaqui in the 5th, but it just wasn't enough. Incidentally, D, that round was the only one we disagreed on as I gave Yaqui a share of the round. Really thought it was a neck and neck round. Of course, this was NY and they were using their antiquated rounds scoring system, so I couldn't give Yaqui any more than the round in the 6th, which was his best round. The ref, Petey Diella seemed intent on trying to save Rossman (illegal standing count) but was only prolonging his agony. Outstanding fight.

 

Victor Galindez vs Jesse Burnett 2

1 Burnett
2 Burnett
3 Galindez
4 Galindez
5 Galindez
6 Burnett
7 Burnett 10-7 2 knockdowns
8 Burnett
9 Galindez
10 Galindez
11 Burnett
12 Burnett

115-111 Burnett

Underrated fight this one Galindez was past his prime and looked a bit soft around the mid section, which is understandable since this fight was at Cruiserweight. Burnett a very underrated fighter who lost alot of close decisions that maybe should of gone his way, out of the fights i've seen of Burnett he definitely deserved wins vs Conteh, L.Spinks.

But overall this was an entertaining fight with Burnett's jab being the key weapon, kind of like how Lopez's jab was the key weapon in his fights vs Galindez, although their jabs are executed completely different. With Burnett's jab being thrown from the waist kind of like Bob Foster.

The most entertaining round of the fight was the 7th round, when Galindez was floored heavily with a right hand from Burnett. It was strange to see Galindez get knocked down, as i don't believe i've ever seen him go down in any the fights i've seen of him. But to Galindez credit he fought back very gallantly and despite getting floored again later in the round with another right hand. Galindez definitely played his part in an amazing round.

The last 5 rounds had alot of back and forth momentum swings with each fighter having their moments, especially the last round where both fighters let it all hang out to end a very entertaining underrated Cruiserweight fight.

The judges had it very similar to me and i thought they were pretty spot on, i didn't feel like any of the rounds were particularly hard to score IMO.

Final few thoughts this was Galindez's last fight and it wasn't a bad way to bow out going out on your shield, the winner of this fight was supposed to fight Cruiserweight champion Marvin Camel. But i looked up and Burnett never got his shot vs Camel ? does anyone with more knowledge about Camel's career think that Burnett had a chance to break his duck and win a world title vs Camel ?

 

D, I watched this a while back - here’s my comments and card:

Victor Galindez v Jesse Burnett

Really fun fight with an aged Galindez trying his hand up at cruiserweight against Burnett, who boxed very well behind his jab and used his natural height and reach advantages to good effect.

Galindez showed he still had heart after taking a pasting in a tremendous 7th round by putting Burnett in trouble in the same round and he rallied well over the next three rounds to keep things competitive but Burnett clearly deserved the win.

Well worth a watch this one.

1 9-10
2 9-10
3 10-10
4 9-10
5 10-9 (close)
6 9-10
7 7-10 (great round! Galindez down at the beginning and end of the round but put Burnett in trouble as well)
8 10-9
9 10-9
10 10-9
11 9-10
12 10-9 (cracking final round)

Galindez 112-115 Burnett

 

Scored this awhile ago. Always loved a Victor Galindez bout, even if it was an end of career bout. One can only take what they can get. Cruiserweight definitely wasn't the way to go for Victor as the weight didn't look good on him. But here we go....

Victor Galindez v Jesse Burnett II

Round 1: 10-9 Burnett
Round 2: 10-9 Burnett
Round 3: 10-9 Galindez
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Galindez
Round 6: 10-9 Burnett
Round 7: 10-7 Burnett (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 8: 10-9 Galindez
Round 9: 10-9 Galindez
Round 10: 10-9 Galindez
Round 11: 10-9 Burnett
Round 12: 10-10 Even

Total: 115-113 Burnett (actual scores: 115-111, 116-111 and 115-112 for a unanimous decision for Burnett)

 

Larry Holmes vs. Ken Norton

WBC Heavyweight Championship, 6-9-1978

Scoring on the 10 point must system

Round 1 - 10-9 Norton
Round 2 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 3 - 10-9 Holmes Close
Round 4 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 5 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 6 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 7 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 8 - 10-9 Norton
Round 9 - 10-9 Norton Close
Round 10 - 10-9 Norton
Round 11 - 10-9 Norton
Round 12 - 10-9 Norton
Round 13 - 10-9 Holmes
Round 14 - 10-9 Norton
Round 15 - 10-9 Norton

My score - Norton 143-142, Actual scores 143-142-Holmes, 143-142-Norton and 143-142-Holmes

I have not seen this fight since it happened and I have to say this was an amazing fight! I don't think there were more than a couple of short clinches. There were ebbs and flows throughout the fight and two men who fought fiercely.

 

I think Camel had just won the inaugural cruiserweight title at this point (after a draw in the first fight with Mate Parlov he won the rematch) and soon turned it over to Carlos DeLeon on a split or majority decision. And he later lost a rematch with DeLeon, who was the class of the division for those formative years — but those are his only losses in a span of like three years I think.

So I’d favor Camel over Burnett, but Jesse was always a competitor and would be in it all the way. Interested in other opinions.

 

MUHAMMAD ALI vs JOE BUGNER (2)

World Heavyweight Championship Fight 1975

I first watched this fight as a little kid with my parents, but all I knew was nobody got knocked out, Ali was throwing a lot of punches, Bugner was covering up and my parents were shouting and cheering a lot.
Oh and Ali was declared the winner.
Rubbish fight I thought at the time because nobody was knocked down and I went to bed disappointed.

But I revisited it much much older and slightly more knowledgeable (!) and here’s how I scored it…

Round 1…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 2…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 3…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 4…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 5…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 6…Ali 10 Bugner 10
Round 7…Ali 9 Bugner 10
Round 8…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 9…Ali 9 Bugner 10
Round 10…Ali 9 Bugner 10
Round 11…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 12…Ali 10 Bugner 10
Round 13…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 14…Ali 10 Bugner 9
Round 15…Ali 10 Bugner 9

ALI 147 BUGNER 140

This was a classic Ali performance, he was on his toes from Round 1, jabbing and moving, scoring at will. Bugner was basically a punch bag for the first 5 rounds, though he finally started throwing punches, mainly body shots from the sixth round.
Bugner was fairly competitive and on the front foot on and off from then on, wining a few rounds as Ali seemed to coast through a couple of rounds, probably taking a breather.
But then back came Ali, hitting and moving and forcing Joe back.
The 13th looked like it was the end for Bugner as Ali swamped him with dangerous hooks, left and right. But Bugner survived and took the fight to points.

All in all a fairly routine win for Ali.

 

@scartissue opinion of the fight?

 

Nice to see this get covered.

 

Good to see you here!

 

I've never seen Camel fight my actual knowledge of the early Cruiserweight era is very limited, but thanks for a detailed response appreciated.

 

Hello there @Fogger this was my write up of Norton vs Holmes.


Larry Holmes vs Ken Norton

1 Holmes
2 Holmes
3 Holmes
4 Holmes
5 Holmes
6 Holmes
7 Norton
8 Norton
9 Holmes
10 Norton
11 Norton
12 Norton
13 Holmes
14 Norton
15 Norton

143-142 Holmes

I always thought this fight was kind of overrated as a close fight, but watching it again years later i'm surprised how close it was.

I don't think you can really argue with the first 6 rounds, Holmes boxed beautifully circling and pot shotting Norton with that famous piston like left and right crosses. Although i think the 5th round was somewhat debatable, but one big right hand from Norton wasn't enough for me.

After 6 rounds i had Holmes pitching a shut out, but after that Norton started to get warmed up. And started getting closer to Holmes really piling on the pressure, as Holmes was started to throw the jab less allowing Norton to land more with his own jab and occasional big right right hand.

The 9th round is a very debatable round, and i can see how it could be scored for Norton. But for me Holmes had the better portion of the round out jabbing Norton, and even though Norton landed two big right hands in the round. Holmes responded immediately with his own right hands and a nice body shot to boot. So i don't think them two right hands from Norton were enough.

From then on i thought Holmes was looking tired, and i liked the effective aggression from Norton. The 13th round was huge round from Holmes and i think there is an argument, that possibly it could of been scored 10-8 ? maybe that's reaching though.

But after the torrid 13th round for Norton, i thought Holmess responded well and easily won the 14th round.

Then we have the famous 15th round which is considered one of the rounds in Heavyweight history. To me i've never understood people scoring the last round for Holmes. I think it's a clear round for Norton, who out landed Holmes 2 to 1 in that round for 2:30 of the round. Yes Holmes did have a great moment where he staggered Norton in the last 10 seconds, but i never thought that little moment at the end of the round. Was anywhere near enough to steal the round with all the good work Norton done for majority of the round.

Overall the fight is as good as i remember, although some rounds were alot closer than i remember them being. Tomorrow i'd like to score Holmes/Witherspoon again. Because that's another fight i thought was an overrated close fight, but maybe i'll be surprised like i was with Holmes/Norton.