The contested , controversial and dubious decisions thread!

I think that's the only time a fighter has ever admitted he thought he lost after the fight. Woodhall is a nice humble bloke though so not surprising.

Speaking of another fight what was your thoughts on Benn vs Malinga 1 ? I felt like Malinga clearly won it by a few rounds, it seemed like Malinga had Benn's number.

 

Eubank Sr said he wouldn’t of been complaining had they given the decision to Dan Schommer, post fight by the ring.

 

Go look at the JLR fight again. I scored it and had it close … can’t remember which way but there were a lot of close rounds and this isn’t the prime Pernell you’ll see later. He wasted a lot of rounds.

EDIT: Found my scoring. @scartissue also scored it and had it a draw.

Jose Luis Ramirez (c) vs. Pernell Whitaker, scheduled for 12 rounds for the WBC lightweight championship at Stade de Levallos, Levallos-Perret, Hautz-de-Sienna, France. (That’s a mouthful.)

This is Ramirez’s second defense of the vacant title he won from Terrence Alli. He has won 11 in a row. He weighs 135 and is 100-6.

Whitaker is 134 1/4 and comes in 15-0.

Battle of southpaws.

1. Whitaker 10-9: Some good body work.

2. Whitaker 10-9: Works his jab effectively and is just too slick, a ghost JLR cannot find in the dark.

3. Ramirez 10-9: More pressure, bigger shots, better jab.

4. Whitaker 10-9: Close. A yawner.

5. Ramirez 10-9: More clean shots from the champ and some good body work. He’s closing the distance and Pernell is more and more on his bicycle and punching less and less.

6. Ramirez 10-9: Effectively aggressive against an opponent who doesn’t look like he wants to fight.

7. Ramirez 10-9: Same, with JRL landing a few snappy, long lefts.

8. Ramirez 10-9: Same pattern but now Whitaker is turning his back and walking away.

9. Whitaker 10-9: Close. A few combos edge it.

10. Whitaker 10-9: Same thing, again close.

11. Ramirez 10-9: He worked three minutes. The other guy fought in spurts and his work wasn’t impressive enough to overcome the lesser workrate.

12. Even, 10-10: Whitaker planted his feet and landed a few nice combos, but he also ran and clinched, ran and clinched, and Ramirez gritted it out and kept punching. Depends on what you like.

My card: 115-114 Ramirez.

Official cards: 118-113 Ramirez, 116-115 Ramirez, 113-112 Whitaker.

Flip around the close rounds and my card could be wider for Ramirez, but you could also give Whitaker the even round at the end.

Pernell did a lot of things that probably didn’t win him favor with the judges. It’s hard to give a guy rounds when he turns his back and walks away repeatedly, when he does circles around the ring flicking a couple of non-punches and then ties up his opponent, when he grabs JLR around the lower legs at one point and does that ducking below the waist — mostly without bothering to throw a punch.

The thing that’s hard to determine is how effective Whitaker’s jab was. I don’t think it was for the most part — there were a few nice spears here and there, but a lot of them go over JLR’s shoulder or head or are parried. I think Ramirez in a lot of stretches was the better defensive fighter (just not as slick about it, but good hand placement, parrying, slipping and blocking). Sometimes when Sweet Pea actually does throw a three- or four-punch combination (rare) he misses every one of them.

So there you have it. I know a lot of people believe Whitaker won and I can believe that if you have it close, but in no way did he run away with this fight or come close to pitching a shutout. He mostly let it get away. Even if you don’t agree with the judges, I think if you watch it you can see how they got there just off Sweet Pea’s inactivity.

 

I think they're worth watching there no all out slugfests, but I thought they were intriguing fights regardless. Benn seemed to have issues with Malinga's jab. I definitely felt Malinga won the 1st fight, and I like Benn but I thought Malinga got the better of him.

 

I like you as a poster Pat but I don't agree with your scorecard, but I'm not going to go over it again as we had this discussion in the scorecard thread.

What I can agree on is that it's more competitive than what people say, but I still felt Whitaker clearly won it by a few rounds, Ramirez did have a decent spell in the middle rounds though.

As for Whitakers controversial decisions, some people felt he should of lost to Rivera, Vasquez, I don't really see the argument for Vasquez. But Rivera definitely has a strong case for winning the 1st Whitaker fight.

 

I don’t have my R-B-R but I know I had Whitaker beating Chavez 116-112 and beating Ramirez 117-112 in the first fight.

GGG-Canelo 1: 116-113 GGG
GGG-Canelo 2: 114-114

 

Yep Nigel grossly underestimated Sugarboy. Hardly trained. He says he trained harder for the 2nd Malinga fight than any of his entire career, a member of Benn’s camp says he left it all in camp they couldn’t get him to ease off

Malinga had that low-slung left, jab from the hip v Benn and it worked perfectly against Nigel’s low crouch

 

Even when Benn floored Malinga with that perfectly timed walk-in counter, he didn’t seem to have the energy to follow up and that wasn’t even halfway

 

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