Wilder-Helenius "Dive?"

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  1. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 banned Full Member

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    Why no ko punch in the highlights? Lmao

    Mods you can delete this thread if you want I'm just tired
     
  2. drenlou

    drenlou Tres Delinquentes Full Member

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    You're suspect.
     
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  3. drenlou

    drenlou Tres Delinquentes Full Member

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    JOE JOYCE says get some rest, everything will be A-ok when u wake up in the morning.
     
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  4. piprules

    piprules Active Member Full Member

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    He hit him with a good punch nothing dodgy.
     
  5. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Oh lord, that was like scuba Scott all over again...
     
  6. miniq

    miniq Tyson Fury Undisputed HW Champion 18/5/24 banned Full Member

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    Joe Joyce is STILL the 2nd best HW in the world
     
  7. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    Its a pretty convenient result for a guy trying to rebuild, lets put it that way.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First i'm no Wilder fan and i truly expected him to win in the first 3 rounds or so.
    Second as i said it before the fight Wilder has made a career of beating not so good guys like Helenius.
    Helenius is a big target, very static, not a good mover, has bad defense, not a smart boxer as well, is slow pace fighter and doesn't have great chin either.
    Again Wilder made a career of beating such guys.
    Still this is the same old Wilder. His movement is terrible, he still telegraph his right hand terribly when coming forward, and his guard is still s****. I don't need to see much to tell that.

    That right hand in a short space though is very dangerous.

    Now all of that being said, let's bust some myths.

    The big question here is, why would Helenius took a dive? Yeah Wilder is very suspect and protected person, and Malik Scott 150% took a dive in their match, that is 100% sure.
    We know that Helenius and Wilder are buddies and long time sparring partners, but why would Helenius let Wilder have a free win over him ?

    Money is the obviously answer, but wouldn't he get more money if he somehow beat Wilder and then challenge for a title, which would have been the case?
    Now you can argue that he didn't have much chance, and decide to take the easy money and not get hurt seriously. This could be the case.

    Now let's look at thistory of Wilder though.

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    This is 500% a dive. Is there anyone trying to argue about this Dive?
    Malik Scott was also sparring partner and big Wilder friend, just like Helenius was/is.

    The explanation of DmitrKudrayshov is 1000% spot on. Anyone that have martial arts(whatver MA actually) background and knows a thing, will know the motion and when/how power is generated.

    Let's look at the perfect angle:
    What the f***** is this s****, tell me ?
    How the f**** can you generate power from that angle, your arm is not even in the right position to be thrown, let alone put your body on it. Not even fully extended, not just looks like light shot, but it actually it was.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZVsW3K-3-M

    Now we have to add that Helenius was coming, and when you lunging in, the counter punch become much harder, but even then that wasn't a properly connected power.

    Two cases here:
    Helenius have 100% glass chin, aka like Whyte chin is to uppercuts, or that was dodgy s**** going on.

    Now i want to mention that i don't even question Wilder power here. It's just that the punch has nothing on it.
    Doesn't matter how much of a big puncher you are, Wilder arm was not even in the right position to be thrown, in order to generate decent power, but just like DmitrKudrashov said, based on biomechanics this looks seriously suspect at least.

    Just look at that angle again.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZVsW3K-3-M
     
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  9. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. Full Member

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    I watched in a high definition video the KO. It was a shot more or less like that of Bentt that rocked Morrison thrown from the ropes but much more powerful considered the sound of the hit that can be heard in the video. It sounded like a blow of stick.

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  10. catchwtboxing

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    A scream of surprise before hand, and a number of missed punches after when the man was motionless.

    If you can't see there was dodgyness there, you can't be helped. Never mind.
     
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  11. DmitrKudrayshov

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    man this kind of proves what i have been saying, it is highly suspect. It doesn't pass the eye test and they know it
     
  12. lordlosh

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    https://youtube.com/shorts/3ZVsW3K-3-M?feature=share

    Yeah, tell me how you can generate power with your arm being in that position. Anyone can try that, even if they have zero martial art background, and then throw the punch when the arms it's actually close to the body.

    My guard is pretty much a wide one, Muay Thai wide one, but when i throw the right hand with intention i close my elbow to my body, aka to literally touch my obliques and then throw it. Otherwise you just cannot generate much power.
     
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  13. lordlosh

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    To be fair i forget about Sconiers, that actually legit KO Wilder and the referee counted to 20 literally. :D

    But yeah, anyone try to explain me how the f***** that was a KO Blow ?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZVsW3K-3-M
     
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  14. DmitrKudrayshov

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    yes you can't generate **** on a straight punch with your arm like that.

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    PBC released the highlights and didn't show the knock out.
    I think that tells you all you need to know, even PBC don't want people seeing this shambles of a fixed fight
     
  15. lordlosh

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