LOL, Wilder is the most hated fighter on this Brit board, full stop, he took the mantle from Mayweather. Joe Frazier was steered clear from every Heavy puncher there was , he never even faced the Two Time Quit ancient Liston, I guess Liston's quote "fighting Frazier is like shooting fish in a barrel" did not give his team much confidence. As far as Frazier's bob and weave, well , he still got hit a lot as evidenced by his face resembling a moon crater for all his signature fights. Frazier got stunned, wobbled, knocked down and severely hurt even before he met Ali/Foreman against absolute no hopers. Frazier is most known for his fights with Ali/Foreman......................he lost 4 and won 1.........twice ko'ed in a no comp fashion.......repeat 1-4 Foreman was a slow zero defense poor stamina all offense wide swinging very powerful Fighter with a very padded record aka filler before he met Frazier and used him literally like a bowling pin..............and it was the ONLY big puncher he ever met. One more time, a relative crude unproven but Heavy Hitter prospect bounced him around like kid..............he even went down from glancing blows. Wilder has found a home for his right on every single fighter he has met and only a 6'8 275 pounds fighter has survived while coming within a hair of getting stopped. Frazier fights nothing like Fury, he does not clinch, man handle or fall in from range or keep the fight long ................as Foreman said , you don't have to look for Frazier , he comes right at you. Wilder actually has a good jab when he elects to use it , see Stiverne1, or the blinding jab one two he put Ortiz out in the rematch Frazier aint got the chin, period, he will get hit and down goes Frazier. I have the highest respect for Frazier as a man and human being , far greater than Ali buit in the Ring he gets starched vs Wilder.
But Wilder is too wafer thin, 1973 George Foreman was well put together, he had power in his blows, Wilder looks as though he has to box you first to finally finish you, with the exception of Helenious the other night who appeared cold.
Wherever Joe Frazier is, he must be chuckling about this heated debate among us posters, he and Muhammad Ali must be saying, These Fools Think That Tall Toothpick Deontay Wilder Can Beat The Both Of Us, Not In A Million Years, Yank Durham sits next to the both of them and says Maybe Wilder's Stare Can Beat You Both, But Not His Style. Ha Ha. Trick Or Treat !
Wilder has kind of a big frame and muscular build and has managed to stop 42 of 43 victims. And floored the one guy who beat him multiple times who currently happens to be the best in the world ( In my opinion and many others. ) I don’t have a problem with people favoring Frazier but some here think that Joe is just gonna walk into the ring bob and weave and not get hit, have wilder out by the fifth round and then go enjoy a steak dinner afterwards. Might not play out that way
No Mr. Magoo. Sure Joe Frazier will take some blows but remember 1970 Joe Frazier was highly motivated, looking forward to a Big Money title defense against challenger, ex champion Muhammad Ali who had never lost his title in the ring. The same could be said for Frazier, he was decked twice in one round against Oscar Bonavena on Sept 21 1966, Joe won a hotly disputed split decision. But on Dec 10 1968 in defense of his 5 state championship, Joe pounded Bonavena for 15 rounds easily winning a 15 round decision. Besides, Wilder is old for a fighter, a third match with Fury is a waste of precious time. Frazier would wear down Wilder as I previously posted, stopping him late makes sense. A 1970 Frazier reminded me of a fierce locomotive that was stuck in one gear and that was Drive.
If he can take those right hands then sure that could happen. But if the premise is that he’s going to just completely avoid every punch wilder throws then I’m not interested in debating it
You played devil's advocate for Joshua a while back, on the sole basis that he was bigger than Foreman so it's not like this is a one thing. You also flat out state all Wilder needs is a size advantage and power Not to mention much of this is flat out untrue. 1. Foreman didn't "hammer" Frazier into submission. 2. Foreman's jab was a very essential part of his game plan. He used it as a feint to keep Frazier ducking into his uppercuts which he learned from Liston, and to make Frazier think twice. 3. Foreman did not just have "a size advantage and a **** town of power in the right and left hands" on his side against Frazier. On that basis would you favor say Bonecrusher Smith to beat Frazier? He also had a size advantage (far more than Foreman did) and two handed power after all.
1. I never said ALL wilder needs is a height advantage that’s bullshlt 2. I don’t remember what I said about Joshua over foreman but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t JUST about size 3. If submission by your definition means “ quit” then no. But Frazier was done regardless of how many times he got off his ass. 4. The Jab was not the main tool of Foreman’s game and it’s not as though wilder is COMPLETELY without one either. Foreman used his size and strength advantage to push Frazier back in to mid range and hammered the **** out of him with lefts and rights. Just because wilder and Foreman had their differences doesn’t mean Frazier might not be subjected to some of the same disadvantages. Wilder hit like a truck. Has a good chin. The ability to be affective in the late rounds and yes has a **** ton of height on Frazier…. Not saying I’m favoring wilder or that Frazier can’t win but you nitpick on individual terms too much. BTW, In a recent thread featuring Frazier vs Max Baer I leaned toward Frazier. Baer was taller than him too !!
Your right he isn't Foreman he doesn't have Foremans brute strength but he is much more athletic than foreman, taller and 5x as fast and remember Frazier is historically a slow starter. Best believe Wilder will land on Frazier and Frazier has been down/hurt by fighters not named Foreman who are nowhere near as explosive as Deontay. Just because a fighter from the past may have been "Greater" due to their past accomplishments doesn't mean a less accomplished more recent fighter can't demolish them.
Let me say this - Frazier would have to stay on top of him practically non stop from start to finish. Tho some of us still want a little more proof i.e. in a perfect world Wilder landing on Usyk...............i think it's pretty obvious Wilder has very special power and is one of those guys that can not only turn, but end a fight with one punch. A little more proof against the top echelon will go a long way to carving everything in stone. What he does with one punch is pretty scary at this point tho. Remember too that he sparks them with punches to various parts of the face/head so he doesn't necessarily need that picture perfect punch to the chin.
