If there’s a case to be made for greater dimensions (height and reach) and greater overall size (weight) being an advantage in a particular match up - so be it. Sometimes greater size can be an advantage - but there are a number of other features to each fighter to consider (style, acccents, etc.) before rubber stamping one fighter as being “too big”. But all too often the case being made for the fighter with the greater statistical numbers is exaggerated in respect of those numbers. It’s already been covered but I also mentally noted the “shortening” of Floyd’s reach from his usually listed 71” and the inflation of the weight discrepancy. It doesn’t help the case for Usyk if one improperly reduces Floyd’s size/dimensions to that of Thumbelina. Maybe I’m wrong (boxrec doesn’t play nice anymore) but Floyd was actually 197 lbs for the 65 Ali match though he did come in around 189 lb for their 72 rematch. I already favoured Usyk here but think it would be close with Floyd not so far removed from a possible victory. LOL, I see I voted for Floyd, I must’ve erred on the side of subjective favouritism. Close enough fight in my eyes to still make it a valid vote.
Oh gee, your posts do make me laugh. I hope your mood has improved. When it all gets too much, sensory deprivation works for me. Lock the doors, turn off the phone and just curl up - and DO NOT, by any means, visit the forum. Give it a week and you’ll be feeling right as rain.
Usyk would win quite comfortably and a stoppage is certainly a possibility. I like Floyd but he ain’t winning this
No, I didn't in that thread. I picked Usyk to be the man at HW. The more skilled you are, the better a guy smaller than you has to be to beat you. Usyk is too skilled to be beaten by a man 40 pounds smaller than him. Although I didn't pick Usyk to win h2h in that thread, Fury has less skill than Usyk, so it's easier for a significantly smaller opponent to beat him. With the following words, remember that the numbers are completely fabricated, only to illustrate a point. Let's say a 220 pound man has a skill level of 15. A 180 pound man might have to have a skill level of 25 to beat them. A 250 pound man has a skill level of 10, so a 210 pound man has to have a skill level of 15 to beat them. Ie, the better you are the better a smaller opponent has to be by proportion.
Not sure Usyk has faced anybody with Floyd's hand speed. I think Usyk would be touched in this one more often than he's used to. I thought Briedis could have gotten the nod over Usyk (could have gone either way), and was quite surprised he didn't being that it was in Latvia. If Briedis was able to trouble Usyk, pretty sure Patterson could have presented some problems as well. Still think Usyk has the IQ to get it done here. Usyk would make the most of whatever reach advantage he has, and Floyd would be flustered by Usyk's elusiveness & southpaw stance. Usyk 8-4, or 116-112.
Floyd was slightly heavier than I thought for the first Ali fight, 197, fair enough. But it is common to round up heights, & nothing is more "round" than 6' even-he was listed at 5'11" early in his career, & based upon his appearance, + shorter fighters like Tyson & Frazier exaggerated/officially listed at 5'11.5"-it is quite unlikely Floyd was not under 6'. I actually saw a wingspan for him-on "Martialbot", of 5'10.87". Now THAT is precise lol! I agree that size is not everything, & while a case can be made for Patterson, I gave other reasons why I think Usyk should be more than slightly favored. Mainly that Usyk has an iron chin, or very close to it. Based upon his whole history, & the CWs he fought were similar in size to those Floyd faced, possibly bigger... It is very unlikely Usyk is even going down. Then his workrate is superior, & given his defense & skills, even though Floyd has plenty of talent-Ali said he was the most skilled man he met after their first fight (although still early in his career)... I cannot see his advantage in speed allowing him to outland Usyk. Especially with so much longer arms. I did not even mention him being a southpaw. The great gazelle punch & explosiveness is not likely to overcome these factors. This is an instance where the greater speed & likely a bit harder punch cannot compensate for the other factors-or match up so well stylistically. Usyk is really that good... Although if he fades against the very best much bigger fighters I will not count that much against him-yet considering his age too, we would see his ceiling. If anyone gets away with a hug & pulling festival against him, I will not count it against him at all. I just saw that Joshua said he would have beaten Usyk if not a lefty, then said he needed to make adjustments for their rematch... And we saw how gracious & realistic he was in accepting defeat after that match lol!
I think Patterson will be difficult for Usyk to adjust to. Patterson fought a very high risk style and will be constantly pressing the action in and out of orthodox and squaring up in peak-a-boo. Usyk has trouble finding his mark in the early rounds. But against Usyk I think that is all Patterson will be able to do is give him trouble. I don't think Patterson can take this win, he is my all-time favorite but I think we've all got to admit he just hasn't the tools in his belt or the style to take this fight. Patterson could make it to the final bell I think, he certainly can outpace and outrace Usyk. Patterson had supreme conditioning, not that Usyk doesn't but Patterson required an ocean of a reservoir to perform his style, as did Tyson. The difference is Patterson knew when to take his foot off the gas and press the action, without gassing himself out. In spite of this, Usyk wins 9/10 times. There might be some freak reality where Patterson can take it on points, with hands that fast he can score at will if he can position Usyk correctly. The footwork and angles would be awesome to witness though, bother fighters bring so much to the table in this fight, it would be exciting without a doubt.
When big heavies stood and fought back Tyson had trouble, his head was in the perfect place at 5`10 for the 6`3.5 Douglas to get perfect leverage for his 83 inch reach, Tucker also did well at 6`5 with an 82 inch reach and Bruno hurt him, he had a 84 inch reach and P4P Tyson wa far bette than all three of those heavies.
Could you imagine Floyd standing next to AJ? He`d look tiny, his arms looked far smaller than Usyk`s etc.
Could you imagine Floyd standing next to Carnera? He`d look tiny, his arms looked far smaller than Usyk`s etc.
A fight I would love to see between two of my all-time favourites. Usyk would meet the problem that he himself poses at the moment to bigger heavyweights-a faster fighter, intellegent and quick. However, Usyk has a great chin and is tacticaly aware so that he would use his reach advantage to it's maximum advantage. Closer than some think, Floyd only got sparked by much harder punchers than Usyk but I see a 9-6 type win fot the Ukraine fighter.
You are cherry picking. Not many big heavies even got a chance to get into the battle with Tyson. Tucker won two to three rounds. Bruno stunned him for about 2 seconds. Douglas had a night out against a sub par Tyson and lathered him, sure. Weren't you one of the Rooney brigade 12 months ago? It seems that train has left your station.
Well, he would look small - but you’re comparing Floyd to AJ when we’re talking Usyk. You’re skipping the primary subject, Usyk, to position him as the intermediary guy for relative and direct comparison between Floyd and AJ. Of course Usyk doesn’t look as small next to AJ as Floyd would but then, at least in term of height, Floyd would be dropping no more than Usyk does to AJ.
