What actual proof is there that Liston put Lenoleum on his gloves vs Clay?

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  1. Soul Surviva

    Soul Surviva New Member banned Full Member

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    I've never understood this claim...and I'm not aware of this tactic ever being used in other fights..

    Anything that Liston might have put on his gloves would be just as likely to get in his own eyes would it not? He keeps his gloves up around his own eyes to defend punches, not to mention both fighters are sweating profusely so anything they would have on them would rub off on the fighter...

    Is there any actual proof of this? Did Listons people ever admit to it? Who is the primary source for this claim? Angelo Dundee?
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No, there is none. They got close in the corner and communicated secretly which is pretty normal and that’s it.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It was supposed to be linament on his shoulder. Linoleum is the wrong word.
     
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  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He put new flooring on his shoulder?
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Laughed out loud at this. :lol:
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Their source: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/820/208/0d5.jpg
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

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    I don't know. Though multiple guys namely I think Machen said similar things as Ali? There is the film itself of Ali fighting Liston and the quit job right afterwards which makes me think it's likely, Though not concrete.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Dundee shot down the theory and dismissed it.
     
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  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Yep, and Ali danced all over it.
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I heard he actually used Naugahyde on his gloves. So furniture cover, not flooring.
     
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  11. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Ha! He lit it up, Saturday Night Fever style.
     
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  12. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    From what I’ve read, post Miami, all other accusations were retroactively applied by previously vanquished Liston opponents. Sonny = Fall Guy.

    In support of his claim, I think Machen pointed to his blinking (Machen’s) at some point during his fight with Sonny.

    Problem with that “evidence” was, aside from being opportunistically cited retroactively, a Liston jab between the eyes could do that to you anyway - without any illegal substance - including any form of flooring material.

    Liston’s corner: “No, not that tile, pass me the one I specially made before the fight…”
     
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  13. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sonny’s corner wanted to use hand-sanded hardwood flooring and three layers of varnish on his gloves, but Liston was too cheap and went with the linoleum.
     
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  14. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    LOL.

    Yes, I’ve read that Liston could be tighter than a Jack Dempsey’s bum hole.

    However, I think Liston did one time test positive for varnish in his urine but Sonny and his team glossed it over and said people were trying to falsely paint Liston as some sort of DIY cheat.

    Though many agreed that Liston gave Patterson good flooring with a stunning finish. So much so, Floyd engaged Liston’s services a second time and Sonny did not disappoint.
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

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    Me too.
     
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