Carlos Monzon Vs Sergio Martinez at Middleweight for the battle of Argentina?

I was not pointing fingers at you. I was pointing a finger at this new poster. When Hagler cried after Losing to Leonard everybody cleaned up his tears. He played the victim's card, everyone is against me. I go by the boxing officials scoring, I am not qualified to officiate. Sergio Martinez runs, but remember Tony Licata tried that strategy on June 30 1975 in Madison Square Garden, Monzon effectively cut off the ring on him, stopping Licata in round 10 of their title bout.

 

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Mantequilla and Griffith were his biggest wins, both smaller guys moving up to fight him...
Briscoe was a draw, in his hometown, which I don't believe he ever rectified did he?

Let's face it, Monzon gets an absolute pass for the very things we discredit modern fighters for ....

Beating up smaller guys in his biggest fights...
Never fighting outside of his backyard (for some reason that's a problem for Andre Ward and Calzaghe, but not Monzon)
Beating up women (we bash on Mayweather for it, so why not Monzon?)

But for me it comes down to Martinez herky jerky style, which I think would confound and befuddle a hot head like Monzon who was used to having the deck stacked in his favor

 

Thank you for your permission for what I am entitled to. You obviously had no critique in what I said, only personal attacks.

I will pray for you

 

Look Fan Girl, it does not matter what Monzon did outside of the ring, only how he performed in the squared circle. Did Monzon beat you up little woman? He fought usually in Europe, Argentina was his hometown , Go ahead and report me little girl, It would not break my heart. You need to grow up, go put on your little dress. Go ahead and make a worthless threat child. Go ahead and pray to Satan.

 

Report? Is that what you do?
I don't need to run to the poleece like you apparently do. Look I was just giving my opinion on why I think Martinez would best Monzon in a boxing match.
You are the one who has taken offense and gotten all up in arms like a girl

 

You are a girl Satan Worshipper ? I don't believe in reporting, stay clear of me, I will have nothing to do with your kind . You are a rookie.

 

Martinez was a terrific fighter ... people who mention the Chavez fight leave out not only was Chavez a huge middleweight but that Martinez was thirty seven years old ... whatever .. his style makes for a very challenging fight but I would give the edge to Monzon late ... I don't think I ever saw Monzon tired on film in any fight .. he was a beast ... I don't think he was unbeatable but those who may have been able to do it are part of a very very small list at 160 ...

 

Biggest names maybe - and Griffiths (I) might well be one of his biggest wins. But the Benvenuti (I) and both Valdes wins were as big, with the victory over Briscoe not too far behind.

Yes, Monzon did - in a title defense, over 15 rounds, winning a wide UD.

I am not quite seeing the equivalence here. Same-Day Weigh-ins provide less opportunities for the kind of weight-bullying we see in today's game.

Monzon won the title in Rome, Italy and defended the title, outside of Argentina quite frequently, during his Championship.
That is, in 14 defenses, he only fought in Buenos Aires (not Monzon's hometown, btw) on three occasions (?).

Ward trained at a Gym less than a 10-minute drive away from the arena where he fought some of his biggest fights.

No comparison.

Monzon took plenty of flack for his behavior back then as he does now, in retrospect - but most people are able to separate this and remain objective about the boxing.

You need to study up on Monzon a bit more. He was ice cool in the ring; a 15-round-campaigner, with great patience, levels of concentration, immense stamina and immaculate timing.

Monzon was not a particularly physical fighter; not much into wrestling and mauling his quarry. Though, he did use his height, so as to lean back and evade a lot of what was coming his way. However, in the main, he gave his opponents a clinical, systematic hammering with clean hard punches - slowly raising the pressure gauge, eliciting a realization in the minds of his challengers (who cannot be considered as anything other than good-to-top quality fighters); the cold menace of inevitability.

 

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of what he's talking about. He does no research at all...here, for instance, he describes Monzon as a "hothead"....how in the blue eyed, butt naked hell could you have made a mistake like that. Monzon was, possibly with the inclusion of Salvador Sanchez, the coldest, most unemotional fighter in boxing history.
Your guy Sergio Martinez, is one of the most mediocre of middleweight champions. You should try to read about the fighters you disparage, watch more videos, show some curiosity about a great fighter that you have no knowledge of. Be a researcher like young @William Walker , and a few others, whose youth actually belies a keen boxing mind, he grant is another. So instead of using that low IQ term "fan boy", actually stop and think "am I fukking up here", or "woops", maybe I need to think this post over a bit before I push that button...or "maybe I'm wrong about fighter A vs fighter B. Then you might learn something and thus avoid sounding like some noobie-yokel from the General Forum.

 

Martinez is being undersold here. He won the first 11 rounds against a 180lb Chavez Jr. His last few fights were plagued by a severe knee injury. The Martinez from the Paul Williams, Pavlik, and Dzinziruk fights was a damn good fighter.

 

I've disparaged no one. A head to head matchup was proposed and I simply stated who I thought would win and why. It obviously struck a chord with you, because you fall into the sad category of fanboys who worship without question and have to personally attack anyone who picks against your idols. You are the kind of poster who ruins these forums because we can't even have an objective fight discussion without you losing your marbles. I know you think your boy can walk on water and you probably sleep in Carlos Monzon bedsheets and dream about carrying his spit bucket and jockstrap every night. People like you can't be reasoned with, but it's still entertaining listening to you rant and rave.
May be Monzon does beat Martinez, who knows ...I don't worship Martinez or anyone else for that matter. And I haven't watched all of Monzons fights, but I've seen a handful and I've scoured his record. He certainly had a nice little title reign, but there's a lot of smaller men on his resume, most of the bigger names on his name to be exact. I've watched several of Martinez fights as well, he's no sacred cow either, but he had a difficult style, and he has shown success against taller, lankier fighters who could bang...
So I think he would do much better then you give him credit for

 

Martinez was ok, pretty slippery and crafty, seemed able to set traps well and all that stuff, but for some reason I really disliked his style. Can't really put a finger on it, strange because there aren't all that many fighters that turn me off.....anyone experience that, watching him? Maybe his style is just boring to me.

Anyway, yeah like everyone is saying, Monzon, KO mid-rounds. Can't see Sergio getting past the jab, and it wouldn't take long for Carlos' right to start getting in there with regularity.