Average or below fighters with multiple wins over ATGs

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We’ll call it the Pat Lawlor Award.

    Because he’s the nexus of this thread.

    Lawlor, in 1990, had a 13-1 record. Then he beat Wilfred Benitez (split decision) and Roberto Duran (no mas-ed it with a shoulder injury in the sixth) in back-to-back fights.

    That catapulted Patrick into some nice paydays and a lot of losses — to Hector Camacho, Vinnie Paz, Terry Norris, John David Jackson, etc. … and a return match with a very old Duran.

    Who are some other club fighter sorts who have multiple notches of that level on their belts? It’s a pretty nice claim to fame for an honest prizefighter, I’d say — bet Lawlor would be a good guy to drink a beverage with at the neighborhood pub to hear his stories.
     
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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bump.
     
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  3. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    Maybe not the perfect fit but Fat Boy Willie Meehan held a pair of wins over Dempsey.

    Jeff Horn over Pacquiao?

    Haven’t thought of any multiples comparable to Lawlors yet but feel there’s something lurking in the back of my mind yet to consciously surface.

    EDIT: Lou Nova over Baer twice. Depends on how you rate them both but ultimately Lou over Max was more brag worthy than the other way around I guess.
     
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  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Paddy Doherty had 2 wins and 2 draws against rhe young Benny Lynch.They were friends but also dancing rivals.
    At his peak but probably already suffering from alcoholism Lynch dropped 2 points decisions to Jimmy Warnock a tricky Belfast southpaw.
    Lynch had beaten Jimmy's old brother Billy and after the fight the older Warnock had suggested Lynch fight Jimmy.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Willie Joyce had 2 wins over ATG Ike Williams although it has to be said Joyce was a top ranking contender
     
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  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack McCarron beat 5 future HOFers:
    Billy Miske
    Jack Blackburn
    Mike Gibbons
    Leo Houck
    Jeff Smith

    ... and also world champ George Chip!
     
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  7. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    Stan Harrington against Sugar Ray Robinson
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    Is Usyk an average or below average fighter ?
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT banned Full Member

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    ….and, is Joshua an ATG?
     
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  10. quintonjacksonfan

    quintonjacksonfan Active Member Full Member

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    Barkley- Hearns
     
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  11. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" banned Full Member

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    Woah Barkley wasn't an average or below average fighter. He wasnt an ATG but he was without a doubt above average even when only compared to other world level guys.
     
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  12. MoneyMay1

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    Ken Norton vs Ali
     
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  13. Reinhardt

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    Uh ,same as with the Barkley comment. Norton was not a below average or average heavyweight
     
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  14. Soul Surviva

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    Oliver McCall.

    He beat Lennox Lewis's *** and also decisioned Larry Holmes.
    I believe in back to back fights if I'm not mistaken.

    Put that in your pipe and smoke it
     
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  15. Guerra

    Guerra Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about Haglers half brother, Robbie Simms.
    Barely mentioned nowadays but despite his 38-10 mediocre record he has wins over Roberto Duran, Iran Barkley and Doug Dewitt despite being only a contender. Thats still a good accomoplishment imo.

    Amd what about Jimmy Young?

    He beat Foreman and Lyle twice and arguably should have won vs Ali, Shavers and Norton and been a two time world champion had the judges been more favourable .

    For a 57-18 guy those are some great names.
     
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