Rubin Carter

Kelley was a "bail bondswoman"; but was only involved as a supporter as far as Carter went.

A "slender sharp-tongued forty-ish woman" according to James S. Hirsch

 

Go over to the Cyberboxingzone. There is an ex-fighter/referee over there named Ron Lipton who sparred w/ Carter way back when and is his friend going back almost 50 years. He seems convinced of his old buddy's guilt and gives numerous details in support of his feelings. Pretty revealing and damning stuff.

 

He smoked Griffith but was beaten by Giardello and Archer and Tiger

 

Sounds a real bad apple. :yep

 

Exactly; hence the reason Carter probably did not attack her like what was suggested....

 

ha ha, what a dick.

 

:huh Rubin; not Rich

 

Carter is an incredibly charismatic and intelligent man, please watch the interview with him from a previous post, I have the legacy of watching him from afar on youtube but I have no doubt if I was in his presence for ten minutes I would be shouting his innocence to everyone concerned he is that good and believable this man is not your typical thug.
Like arther1045 though after reading the facts and his past record of violence I believe he is guilty.

 

I never watched the movie, Carter and Washington do little for me. Carter was a thug, but the evidence suggests there is just not enough to convict him for the Lafayette bar murders. Also it should be noted another innocent man (indeed a seemingly very decent man) lost the best years of his live being convicted for a crime he did not commit in John Artis.

Two people got away with murder that night; three murder victims families and someone else injured never got justice....

 

Rumour has it Griff was right up for it too.

 

Ive seen the hurricane great film but too much lies innit and seen the sportscentury piece on him a few years back.We will never now the truth about the murders but i think he was the murderer.Dont know why maybe beacause he was a thug all his life,in and out of jail,a bully,just got that gut feeling.

Sorry if ur reading this rubin but you are a crook

 

Carter had a handgun in his luggage when he came to the Uk to fight Harry Scott,he handed his bag to the promoter Mickey Duff and he unwittingly smuggled it past customs for him. Chances are old Ruben was guilty, imo.

 

He 'smoked' Griffith for two major reasons.
1) he outweighed Emile by approx. 10-15 pounds. boxrec. doesn't have the weights for that bout correct.
2) he verbally abused Griffith at the weigh-in with his ''***-baiting" talk which had Griffith totally off kilter.
To be fair (according to the "Sixteenth Round") Carter said he did that because he knew he couldn't outbox Emile and wanted to get him into a slugging match.
IMO had they fought again (w/o such a major weight difference) Griffith takes a wide UD.
His best wins are the afformentioned Griffith, Benton, and his destruction of Florintino Fernandez (maybe his best effort)
He couldn't box a lick and any Boxer/puncher that had a good set of chops could get on top of him.
Any big slugger that had a good set of chops (Tiger & others) could hang with him and do damage.
To be fair, he was a chiseled MW with numbing power, who's inner demons prevented him from greatness.
Read my earlier post (can't believe it's been 3-4 years)
His good friend Ron Lipton (a good story in itself, boxer, body builder, referee)
who has remained in touch with Carter)
He is convinced that Rueben "did the deed". It's hard to dispute Lipton's thoughts. You can find his posts out there.

P.S. the Kelley ''beating-**** thing" that posters have mentioned?
It supposedly took place the afternoon before the Ali-Young scrap in 76' (Rueben was interviewed before the fight)
IMO I'm (we're) not sure of all the particulars but something obviously happened which doesn't enhance his legacy any.
As a movie buff, I looked forward to the film and did enjoy it except for the fact that it was fabricated BS.