Ali of the first Frazier fight VS. These Swarmers/Punchers

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  1. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

    BoxingFanOfIranianDescent Tony Galento was an African American boxer. banned Full Member

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    Besides Fulton who lasted a stunning 18 seconds, Carl Morris, Firpo (perhaps comparable to Wilder in that he lacked skill, but hit like a bag of bricks). Brennan too. He beat plenty of others who had good KO percentages, though perhaps not power punches, Gunboat for starters.

    Frazier was a superior swarmer than Rocky, sure but Dempsey? At the very least they were close in ability, though Dempsey had better power and more sporadic head/body movement. Frazier was better at cutting off the ring and threw more volume. Both are quite even in other areas,
     
  2. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So Marciano beats him, yet Tyson, who is vastly superior to Marciano, doesn't. Brilliant logic there pal. :risas3::risas3::risas3:
     
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    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he doesn't. Tyson whoops him.
     
  4. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

    BoxingFanOfIranianDescent Tony Galento was an African American boxer. banned Full Member

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    How do you see the Tyson victory going against this Ali? Why can't Dempsey win like his stylistic compadre Frazier?
     
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    I assume he credits this to the differences in Stamina, though I think Tyson has more than enough advantages to end this earlier enough to where this won't be a factor
     
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    In which thing Tyson is superior?
    Heart,chin,stamina versus speed and hyped highlights?
    Marciano is superior to Tyson like Frazier is, because Tyson was never proven as 15 rounds fighter.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frazier beat Ali, stopped Quarry twice, outpoinred Bonavena twice, stopped iron chinned George Chuvalo, Jimmy Ellis, Buster Mathis and Bob Foster.
    Beats Dempsey's resumÄ— wouldn't you say ?
     
  8. JabbaTheGut

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    Loses to Dempsey and Tyson by decision
    Beats Patterson by TKO and wins decision against Marciano
     
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    BoxingFanOfIranianDescent Tony Galento was an African American boxer. banned Full Member

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    Hand Speed, Defensive head/body movement, Combo punching, power, being proven over significantly larger opponents

    I love Rocky, but overall Tyson is a superior fighter. Rocky's main real advantage is stamina,
     
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    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime vs prime, Tyson will outpoint him. But this version of Ali, Tyson would knock him out cold. He wears him down with the body shots and then unloads a big left hook. Ali gets up, but then Tyson finishes him with a combo.
    As for Dempsey, he's too crude to do the same, he lacks the skills.
     
  11. White Bomber

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    Tyson is faster, stronger, a million times more skilled, both in terms of offense and in terms of defense, and also has a better chin.
    Stamina won't matter cause that won't ever get to come into play. Tyson KO's this Ali.
     
  12. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Tyson wasn't stronger than Marciano, not harder puncher.
    Marciano KO ratio is alot harder than Tyson's.
    Also Marciano was never knocked out while Tyson was 4 times knocked cold.
    Marciano is more durable,stronger and harder puncher.
    Tyson struggled to KO Tillis/Green/Tucker and Ali is better than that even that Ali.
    Ali beats Tyson, late KO or TKo.
     
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    Bigger?
    So 4 bigger bums are better than 4 great Hall of Fame punchers or atg?
    Marciano has higher KO percentage and was better one punch KO artist than Tyson, but Tyson looks sueprior because his stamina.
    Rocky is better in everything except handspeed and footwork.
    Marciano would give Ali biggest run for his money, even Ali said that.
     
  14. White Bomber

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    Yes he was stronger. Marciano was a small man, people seem to forget that.

    Tyson was the harder puncher.
    KO ratios are completely irrelevant since they depend on the opposition. The only reason Marciano has a better KO record is cause he mostly faced weak and small bums (Tyson would probably KO most in round 1).
    Marciano only faced 4 great boxers in his entire career, all past their best, and neither was a proper HW in terms of size.
    Charles bust his nose open. If a small LHW could do that, what do you think happens when he will get hit by guys like Tyson, Liston, Lewis, Wlad, Wilder ?!? Let me tell you: he wakes up in the hospital not knowing what happened to him.

    Again, cause Marciano faced mostly weak, small and unskilled opponents.
    He'd get his arse handed to him by all the good guys Tyson faced.

    He was only KO'd once while he was in his physical prime, against Douglas, a fight for which he did not properly prepare, and during which he was pummeled all night long.
    He was stopped by a roided ATG in Holyfield, and he was ring rusty similar to Ali in FOTC.
    And he was completely washed up when he came up against a 250 lbs ATG behemoth in Lewis, and even then he was pummeled all night until Lewis threw one Tyson didn't see coming.
    He was even more washed up vs Williams.
    In neither of those losses was he out cold.

    I'd make Tucker even money with 71 Ali.
    And those fights have no bearing on Tyson vs Ali.
    Tyson also beat countless others that had a similar style to Ali.

    Only in your dreams. Tyson is twice the boxer Frazier is and will KO 71 Ali.

    Tyson was only 10 years old when Ali said that.
     
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    So according to that size thing Fury is stronger than Foreman or Liston because he is bigger?
    Nonsense.
    Who did Tyson fought?
    Old man Holmes and LHW Spinks he lost every fight against any good fighter and struggled with any solid fighter.
    Tyson could not KO Smith Tillis in 12 rounds while Holyfield and Morrison made easy work of him.
    Marciano faced more Hall of Famers and beat them while Tyson faced only 3 Hall of Famers and lost against two of them.
    Tyson faced only Holmes who was old,cruiser Holyfield and Lennos and both beat him and Larry would too if he was younger.
    Which hall of fame hw Tyson beat?Only Holmes and Holmes was older than Louis from Marciano fight when Tyson fought him.
    If bum like Williams and Douglas beat Tyson what do you think would Frazier and Marciano did?Watch Holyfield fight but this is even worse for him.
    And who did Tyson fought?Old Man Holmes and lost against a cruiser with heart problems called Holyfield who lost 3 fights before facing Tyson?
    Marciano would beat all guys Tyson beat and he wont struggle with Holyfield like Tyson did.
    Excuses do not count just fight records, and the fact is that he lost against two c level fighters like Douglas and Williams.
    Holyfield was older than Tyson and had heart problems and still beat Tyson without any excuses and about roids Tyson used them too.
    Ali would destroy Tucker same way Holmes would too.
    Ali beat Foreman and Liston who would destroy Tyson inside 4 rounds and beat Frazier who was better than Tyson.
    Ali beat stronger guys than Tyson and he would beat Tyson too.
    Tyson is just a quitter and a bully.Frazier is better than Tyson who was 6 round fighters and after that would just hang out for dear life.
    Ali would beat Tyson like Douglas did maybe even worse than that.
    But Ali did not said that he changed his opinion about Marciano.
     
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