Alex Stewart never beat anyone. Well, he beat Foreman's ass, just not officially. Anyways, my point was that Stewart was slow and methodical and tagged Foreman at will. RJJ would tag Foreman in his sleep with one arm tied behind his back while chicken fighting! Old Foreman got lucky against chinny Michael Moorer. Dudes with terrible chins did well against Old Foreman. I'm sure RJJ knew how to move when he had to and he's flying around an ancient Foreman who barely beat Crawford Grimsley.
Jones would have looked better v any of Nunn`s 168 opponents than Nunn did, Nunn lost to Liles but I would have liked to see Roy v Liles though.
Yes…I realised my old pal was right not long afterwards when my euphoria over the RJJ victory was drained out of me over the following years when he was getting KO’d by all and sundry. And as time moved on it became obvious that as far as HWs were concerned Ruiz was simply taylor made for a speedster like Jones. But as for RJJ vs Lewis or Vitali or any other big punching big guys with iron hands…good grief, the kind of damage that those kind of monsters could have inflicted on him doesn’t bear thinking about! Yes he’d run and slip and feint as usual, and he’d look great for a while, making those guys look foolish for a few rounds, but there would come a time in the fight when he’d be hit. Even a glancing blow from these sort of guys would knock Jonesy into a different stratosphere! I still love his work up till 2004 though. At his best the man was a very extraordinary talent. As for swinging (haha), I’m like that nowadays, having no favourites amongst the current crop, just cheering for whoever puts up a great performance. I do have a soft spot for Artur Beterbiev though, his KO victories are extremely impressive. They don’t fill me with my bygone day euphoria though…those days alas seem to have gone. Had to edit this when I realised I confused my Latter day with my bygone day!
Great post Vic, nice read, thanks Yeah, I wasn’t trying to apply it to Jones and shut him down so much as making the general point re not so easily excited, older heads. All just opinions, and at his best Roy was a superb fighter and warranted your euphoria re his successful HW division foray in its own right. Just re watching fights at pubs, talking boxing with mates or even randoms - all part of the rich experience . - I’d often get asked by strangers about who was fighting, who was favourite, etc- always happy to fill them in and then they’d basically hang and watch the fight with me. Anyway, I was at a pub with a work mate watching a boxing match. He picked one guy to win - really, just based on the look of him - say, as you might superficially pick Joshua over Ruiz Jr purely based on size/physique without any other knowledge. Fair enough - what else can you do if you don’t have any other background info? As the fight ran, the guy he picked was getting his butt kicked. All of the sudden my mate swivelled his chair to watch the WWF wrestling on the opposing wall hung screen. I asked him “What’s up?”. He said he couldn’t stand boxing because it’s mostly “rigged”, including this fight “obviously” (lol) and he always liked watching and enjoyed wrestling far more. Well, pickle me grandmother and knock me down with a feather. I said to him “I guess it’s better the Devil you definitely know than the Devil you’re suspicious of but not 100% sure about? ”. He replied “What…?”. I said never mind, lol.
RJJ was already past it when they faced each other, the weight cut messed up his body. WTF are you talking about ?!? Are you blind or something ?!????? Roy knocked him out in the first round. Griffin didn't wins ****. He was simply lucky Roy was disqualified. Roy would have won that fight. No, they are FACTS. Holyfield was not in worse shape, he was at the back end of his prime while Tyson wasn't even half the boxer he was in the 80s. In this case yes. An older active boxer can be better than a rusty younger boxer. Losing against another ATG in Bowe, that doesn't mean he was past it. Tyson didn't take any steroids, nor did he say he did. Younger Holyfield wasn't as big, as strong and as durable. He also wasn't as battle hardened. Also 80s Tyson was much more skilled than 90s Tyson. Tyson knocks him out. It wouldn't resemble the Douglas fight one bit. Douglas was bigger, with a longer reach and a much better jab. He was also more of an out boxer while Holyfield was a counterpuncher. Ali ain't even top 50 in terms of skill. Same goes for Roy, although he has slightly better fundamentals. They were both freak athletes who's success depended on their physical assets like speed and reflexes. When those diminished, they started to get beat. The only difference is that Ali was lucky he faced weaker opposition as he aged compared to Roy (past 34-35 years old), who didn't land as much on him as Roy's opponents landed on Roy. Resume wise, yes, Ali has the edge, but prime vs prime, Roy was far more dominant than Ali. No, they are not, stop being delusional. And they aren't even proper HWs in terms of size. SRR, Hagler, Canelo, Monzon, Hopkins, Toney - all are more skilled than them. Norton didn't fight at the same fast pace as Roy did. You're delusional if you think he has better stamina. Calzaghe beat Roy cause Roy was washed up. And Griffin being ahead is irrelevant. Roy would have destroyed him as he did in the rematch. This post shows how stupid you are. Wasn't is obvious I was obviously talking about prime vs prime ?! The idea that Griffin and Calzaghe were faster than Roy prime vs prime is assinine. Can't you see how moronic your statement is ?!? How can Jones go 15 when there were no 15 rounders in his era ?!? And how on Earth do you know their lung capacity ?!?? Stop talking out of your arse. Frazier was a one trick pony, he wasn't as good as Roy prime vs prime. Another stupid statement on your part. Using your idiotic reasoning, the boxers with the shorter reach should just give up. Did it ever occur to you that the boxer with the shorter reach could bait his opponent to lead and then he'd counter ?!???? Or that Roy could beat him to the punch with his speed ?!??? Roy is no. 1 all time at SMW. And top 5 at LHW. Foreman doesn't beat Tyson in a million years. What Roy did in his last years is irrelevant. Prime vs prime is what matters. If your stupidity was ever in doubt, this post sealed the deal, it's official now. Holmes cried after he beat Ali, he could have knocked him out any time he wanted. Really ??? Perhaps your memory is failing you. Young out boxed him. Morrison out boxed him. Moorer out boxed him until his ego got the better of him. Douglas was not slow and Tyson was not prepared for that match. Plus, Tyson wasn't running away from Douglas. Neither was Patterson from Liston. He never ducked them. He was a MW when they were at SMW and LHW. Completely irrelevant, styles make fights. Hagler was at the end of his prime vs Mugabi. And the outcome of that fight is completely irrelevant to how a Hagler vs Roy fight would go. I love Hagler as much as I do Tyson, but Roy is all wrong for him, he's way too fast.
George would eventually find him. Foreman KO10. He was usually great at cutting off the ring. The only fight I recall him being unable to do so was against Morrison who had his running shoes on. But what the heck do I know?
I usually agree with a lot of what you say but Ruiz was not better than old Foreman. Ruiz was simply not very good. There are not too many HW belt holders I would pick him to beat.
He doesn’t need to hurt George he just needs to make him think he can. You don’t need to splatter a guy to make him blink, and that’s all you need.
That’s a hilarious overstatement. If a 175lbs guy who has been throwing punches and training since he was a child hits you proper you’re going to blink and rethink even if your Chuvalo. You might not be dropped and drooling but you don’t need that. Foreman isn’t literally going to walk through Jones like the terminator eating countless shots off a “190lbs” guy, he’s going to get hit and think of how not to.
