He would have to clean the division up. He would need to beat Usyk, Joyce, Joshua and Ruiz. I can't see him beating Usyk though.
I agree beating Usyk and Joyce makes him an all time great but the likes of Ali and Lewis fought a huge amount of top class fighters. Fury has only fought an aging Klitschko and Wilder to date. Considering how talented he is, at 34 that's very poor. He has to beat Joshua as well.
He needs to be the best HW of his era. Oh wait, he is. And he needs to beat the best HW of the last era. Oh wait he did (Wlad). So, Wlad gets bumped and he gets on.
39-0-1/40-0, with wins over Usyk, Joyce, Ruiz, Dubois, AJ and another fighter to close out his career. Maybe you could replace AJ with someone else as there's simply too much resistance between the two camps for that one. You could even replace Dubois with an Anderson or Sanchez type. I also wouldn't mind seeing him lose a tough decision to Usyk before winning a rematch. After this he's an undeniable top 10 heavyweight, maybe kicking Rocky off the #5 spot on my personal list. Fury would have to fight well, well into his late 30s or even beyond to move Lennox or Holmes though, and his generation(s), by no means the weakest, are simply too poor to be approaching Ali or even Louis territory
AJ doesn't belong in this conversation. He needs to beat Usyk, Joyce and Anderson/Dubois depending on which performs better over the next couple of years.
Why are people talking about Dubois ? he looked horrible in his last fight and it was dubious. And plus he already got mentally broken down by Joyce, he isn't going to get anywhere near the top 5 and Fury certainly doesn't need to beat him IMO. The only fighters Fury needs to beat are Usyk, Joyce, and Joshua would be a nice filler. I'm not a big Fury fan but if he does that he definitely enters the top 10 for me no need to beat anyone else.
If Fury retires undefeated, with wins over Usyk Wilder Joyce AJ Wlad Which I doubt will happen but lets pretend.... I think I would rate him slightly ahead of Wlad. And I would want to hear what cases Mike and Marciano would have over him. I dont know enough about the old timers but in my ignorance, to me it would seem he could rate above those two as well.
At this rate, he'd have to fight into his fifties without a loss. Ali was all but done at his age and Tyson's accomplished hardly anything. Old Klitschko, windmill Wilder, and Whyte. You're 34 ya ****ing bum! Ali had cleared out his division by 25, was suspended for three years, cleaned out the division a second time by 32 and was at the tail end of his third victory lap by Tyson's age. Tyson's current triumphs are roughly equivalent to Ali beating Archie Moore, Chuvalo, and Ernie Terrel. Maybe, comparing Wilder to Chuvalo is uncharitable of me. I'm trying to compare like with like and Chuvalo was a tough but unskilled boxer. The most charitable comparison that one could make for Wilder would be either Shavers or Foreman. Where is Tyson going to find a Patterson, Quarry, Norton, Frazier, Lyle, and Young? Beating Usyk and AJ would help a lot, but he shows no initiative or urgency to get meaningful fights made.
Not really. And even if true, it would have been for the Hammer fight. The fights that made him great he was the cleanest man in boxing because he was the most tested man.
Beat Usyk and retire. I'd like to see him fight Joyce too, who is easily the next most credible opponent. The Joshua fight is obsolete at this point, he ducked Fury and has 3 losses. AJ needs to prove himself against Wilder or Joyce to even be relevant.
Indeed. Dethroning 6'5 KO artist master pointfighter Wlad in Germany while taking barely a punch in his championship debut is one of the great HW performances, probably the best outboxing performance at HW ever. The Wilder trilogy is already thought of as one of the great HW trilogies with amazing fights and moments, it's only going to appreciate as the years go by (providing Wilder doesn't get wrecked by Ruiz etc.). Usyk is the CW and southpaw HW GOAT. No HW in history beat a southpaw as good as Usyk. In fact, most HW champions in history didn't fight a southpaw of any quality. Huge advantage for Fury. I don't think any HW in history would be favoured to run that gauntlet and come out the other side undefeated. Add on Joyce to that: 6'5, 270 lbs de-facto gold medallist with an iron chin and can throw 1000 punches over 12 rounds against a solid opponent and it would be an incredible record.
Beat at least two actual top fighters Gold Olympics Medalists (Joyce was robbed by Yoka) in two bouts with eventual rematches: Usyk and Joyce. Only then he will enter in the top 10 ever imo. But it will never happen the guy likes to make easy fights until the retire.
